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Old 07-13-2009, 07:34 PM   #1
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Default Will/Can the SMW tourney be free of "home town" decisions?

We can only hope with as much attention as these fights will be getting that someone (Showtime) will be scrutinizing the judges past records? They are putting up a boat load of money and can't afford for this to be derailed by this type of stuff. Same with the refs.

This could be a major showcase for boxing and any hint of 'fix' could be very damaging to the sport.

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Old 07-13-2009, 10:41 PM   #2
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theres gonna be controversy, it cant be avoided... i mean some of these fights are guaranteed to be close decisions...

i could see some of the fights being real close, like abraham versus ward, that will very likely be close
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:00 PM   #3
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Showtime should require that all scorecards be available for publishing after the fight - if you want to judge it, expect your card to be posted on Showtime's website.

Hell, they should do that for any televised fight; I assume judges are probably paid a bit more for tv fights, especially high-profile ones.
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:48 PM   #4
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theres gonna be controversy, it cant be avoided... i mean some of these fights are guaranteed to be close decisions...

i could see some of the fights being real close, like abraham versus ward, that will very likely be close
Is that fight really scheduled?

I thought I'd heard of AA

vs Taylor
vs Dirrell
vs Froch
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:22 AM   #5
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Well, it would be good for the sport if this all goes off with the appearance of 'clean'. I could easily see Abraham in a controversial decision if he gets credit for power shots against someone landing volume.
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:28 PM   #6
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OK. People are starting to talk about this a little more now in various threads, so let's bump the thread.

I'm not that familiar with the broadcasting crew from Showtime. Are they going to have an 'US bias' or are they pretty fair. A fair fight with a biased broadcasting crew won't be good either.
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:33 PM   #7
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There can only be a robbery when the fight is absolutely close - it's up to the boxer to protect himself from this.
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There can only be a robbery when the fight is absolutely close - it's up to the boxer to protect himself from this.
? Most people feel if the fight is close it CAN'T be considered a robbery. Robbery is when one man CLEARLY wins and doesn't get the nod. Billy Lyle against John Duddy. Two scorecards WIDE Lyle, one score card to Duddy.
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You're talking about what...12 fights in all probability (3 rounds, 3 fights each round plus two semis and a grand finale) ?

I think it's nearly impossible for everything to go through without some semblance of controversy or "fixed judging". Especially since people have become predisposed to believe that any close fight in Germany is an insant robbery, you're bound to have some drama. That's not even counting the "Close fights" where people automatically assume a robbery went down just because their favorite fighter lost.
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? Most people feel if the fight is close it CAN'T be considered a robbery. Robbery is when one man CLEARLY wins and doesn't get the nod. Billy Lyle against John Duddy. Two scorecards WIDE Lyle, one score card to Duddy.
I've not seen a robbery fight the way you describe. Every Robbery fight I've seen, sure, the guy is a clear winner - but he's not a dominant winner.
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:46 PM   #11
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You're talking about what...12 fights in all probability (3 rounds, 3 fights each round plus two semis and a grand finale) ?

I think it's nearly impossible for everything to go through without some semblance of controversy or "fixed judging". Especially since people have become predisposed to believe that any close fight in Germany is an insant robbery, you're bound to have some drama. That's not even counting the "Close fights" where people automatically assume a robbery went down just because their favorite fighter lost.
One 'stinker' early on could set the tone. What if people think the "robbed" fighter misses the finals by one point and the "robber" makes it by one? We have seen some bad decisions of late. In most cases the public wants a rematch. Not likely to happen in this format. What if someone is truly robbed? What is their recourse. With the general public, perception IS reality.
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Jermaine Taylor is in the tournament. Does that answer the question?
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:49 PM   #13
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I've not seen a robbery fight the way you describe. Every Robbery fight I've seen, sure, the guy is a clear winner - but he's not a dominant winner.
One judge in the case I laid out one judge was protecting Duddy's OH and giving him the benefit of the doubt. What if it had been two judges? Plus for this tourney to work they are relying on J.Q. Public.
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:51 PM   #15
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Jermaine Taylor is in the tournament. Does that answer the question?
Taylor vs Abraham. Real potential here for controversy. In the states he gets credit for 'clean' punches with not much on them. In Germany Abraham gets credit for 'effective' punches though they are far and few between.
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