Henry Armstrong vs Ike Williams

Theron · 02-09-2013, 04:22 AM

15 Rounds Lightweight

turbotime · 02-09-2013, 12:46 PM

Armstrong decision. Too busy and would most likely outhustle him. Hank is playing with fire though the way he fights in close quarters. I still think his chin holds up though. That would have been a wild fight.

I wish we had Jack/Armstrong on film

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lufcrazy · 02-09-2013, 01:25 PM

Good fight but Armstrong was a force of nature. Great attack and great defence. Great stamina and great power.

It takes something special to beat Henry and as special as ike is, he aint special enough.

turbotime · 02-09-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Good fight but Armstrong was a force of nature. Great attack and great defence. Great stamina and great power.

It takes something special to beat Henry and as special as ike is, he aint special enough.

Jack beat Armstrong

lufcrazy · 02-09-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotime

Jack beat Armstrong

I think his prime ended with the shank fight. he had some great performances after that but he was never the same.

turbotime · 02-09-2013, 01:40 PM

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I think his prime ended with the shank fight. he had some great performances after that but he was never the same.

Wins over Ango and Joyce are nothing to SYH at.

lufcrazy · 02-09-2013, 01:59 PM

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Wins over Ango and Joyce are nothing to SYH at.

burt bienstock · 02-09-2013, 02:17 PM

I saw Beau Jack outspeed Henry Armstrong at MSG in 1943, and a few months later
ole Henry lost a decision to rising star Ray robinson also at MSG. Armstrong at 31 years of age was a shopworn fighter by that time...Who would win Ike williams vs Henry Armstrong at their 135lb bests ?. I have to go with Hammerin Hank if i had to bet...He along with Harry Greb had inhuman stamina,and never gave you the ball...

Theron · 02-09-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

I saw Beau Jack outspeed Henry Armstrong at MSG in 1943, and a few months later
ole Henry lost a decision to rising star Ray robinson also at MSG. Armstrong at 31 years of age was a shopworn fighter by that time...Who would win Ike williams vs Henry Armstrong at their 135lb bests ?. I have to go with Hammerin Hank if i had to bet...He along with Harry Greb had inhuman stamina,and never gave you the ball...

Was the fight generally dominated by Beau Jack vs Armstrong or did Henry hold his own and have his moments?

Rex Tickard · 02-09-2013, 10:47 PM

Williams could potentially be a tough stylistic matchup for Armstrong - perhaps his toughest in and around 135 IMO. He was a very good inside technician and a quick and savage combination puncher at close quarters. His uppercuts could be especially problematic for Armstrong's crouching style, especially given his tendency to cut and swell in tough fights.

Having said that, Williams somehow managed to be beaten down and stopped by Sammy Angott, of all people - how on earth did that happen??

Certainly that doesn't bode well for him against arguably the greatest infighter of all time.

Rex Tickard · 02-09-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotime

Jack beat Armstrong

That depends on who you ask, actually.

Rex Tickard · 02-09-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Theron

Was the fight generally dominated by Beau Jack vs Armstrong or did Henry hold his own and have his moments?

I don't know how burt scored it, but the United Press scored it a draw, the Associated Press scored it 5-4-1 for Armstrong, and the crowd is reported to have lustily booed the decision.

burt bienstock · 02-10-2013, 12:29 AM

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Was the fight generally dominated by Beau Jack vs Armstrong or did Henry hold his own and have his moments?

T,if memory serves me well Beau Jack was just faster than the older Armstrong...Change Beau's age 22] with Armstrong's age [31] and Henry
whips Beau handily I believe. I also believe lou Ambers beats Beau Jack at their bests...Ambers is today a forgotten great lightweight for sure....

PhillyPhan69 · 02-10-2013, 12:47 AM

Bobcat Montgomery beats them both!

Theron · 02-10-2013, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

T,if memory serves me well Beau Jack was just faster than the older Armstrong...Change Beau's age 22] with Armstrong's age [31] and Henry
whips Beau handily I believe. I also believe lou Ambers beats Beau Jack at their bests...Ambers is today a forgotten great lightweight for sure....

Armstrong vs Ambers 1 is an awesome watch, really enjoy that fight

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turbotime Future Hall Of Famer East Side VIP Join Date: May 2012 Location: LA/Canada Posts: 18,647 vCash: 816	Re: Henry Armstrong vs Ike Williams Armstrong decision. Too busy and would most likely outhustle him. Hank is playing with fire though the way he fights in close quarters. I still think his chin holds up though. That would have been a wild fight. I wish we had Jack/Armstrong on film !!
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,694 vCash: 330	Re: Henry Armstrong vs Ike Williams Good fight but Armstrong was a force of nature. Great attack and great defence. Great stamina and great power. It takes something special to beat Henry and as special as ike is, he aint special enough.
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burt bienstock Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7,116 vCash: 500	Re: Henry Armstrong vs Ike Williams I saw Beau Jack outspeed Henry Armstrong at MSG in 1943, and a few months later ole Henry lost a decision to rising star Ray robinson also at MSG. Armstrong at 31 years of age was a shopworn fighter by that time...Who would win Ike williams vs Henry Armstrong at their 135lb bests ?. I have to go with Hammerin Hank if i had to bet...He along with Harry Greb had inhuman stamina,and never gave you the ball...
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Rex Tickard Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 317 vCash: 500	Re: Henry Armstrong vs Ike Williams Williams could potentially be a tough stylistic matchup for Armstrong - perhaps his toughest in and around 135 IMO. He was a very good inside technician and a quick and savage combination puncher at close quarters. His uppercuts could be especially problematic for Armstrong's crouching style, especially given his tendency to cut and swell in tough fights. Having said that, Williams somehow managed to be beaten down and stopped by Sammy Angott, of all people - how on earth did that happen?? Certainly that doesn't bode well for him against arguably the greatest infighter of all time.
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PhillyPhan69 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Salisbury, MD Posts: 3,710 vCash: 1000	Re: Henry Armstrong vs Ike Williams Bobcat Montgomery beats them both!
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