So, what do we think of Frampton's win? - Page 2

GazOC · 02-09-2013, 07:08 PM

I'm more impressed than if he'd have Martinez out early. He showed a lot tonight, still a bit to work on but he's looking good at this point in his career.

iceferg · 02-09-2013, 07:11 PM

the fight was going martinez's way at that point he needed that.

raymann · 02-09-2013, 07:15 PM

after 16 fights hes boxing right at his level. theres absolutely no way there should be talk of world titles about now. he needs a good few fights at and around euro title/fringe world level to tighten his game up.

the internet has made everyone way too impatient and its clear that this kids natural talent is there but at world level that isnt enough. its not close to enough. as well as talent you need experience, your flaws ironed out, the perfect support network that can also deal at the top level and impecable management.

i think that people are going to get impatient with this kid but to achieve his potential hes needs to box to his level and learn his game. proska on the undercard is an example of what happens when you dont understand the rules of engagement, almost wasted natural talent without the right people training/managing him.

the quig fight would be a great fight at this point.

great fight though. seems like a top kid as well.

dftaylor · 02-09-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iceferg

the fight was going martinez's way at that point he needed that.

Only if you were listening to Jim "Put me in reverse" Watt!

True_Hero · 02-09-2013, 08:13 PM

I was impressed. He's definitely not at world level yet. Besides he's young so he's no need to rush things. Carl should take his time, clear out the Euro scene before stepping up.

KidJackal · 02-09-2013, 08:15 PM

Very good performance imo, got hit a fair amount but once again proved he can box off the back foot and dealt with the pressure well. I think he looks the goods, he's got the whole package, power, speed, chin(it seems), movement, combinations, temperment and versatility. That being said a few Euro defences would be good, I'd love the Quigg fight though. He'd take Quigg in a similar fashion, I'm very confident of that.

ImElvis666 · 02-09-2013, 08:27 PM

He's showed he can take a punch which is massively encouraging. He took a monster punch from Kiko before instantly replying with the knockout blow. That was damn impressive.

His inexperience showed and he'll have learned a lot from this fight. Still work to be done. He could have imposed his ring generalship better and his defence was a little sloppy but overall you have to take your hat off to him. He knocked out a top 10/15 boxer who had never been hurt before in his 16th fight.

effigy · 02-09-2013, 09:09 PM

Kiko's a tough guy, to KO him is a great marker from him at this point in his career. He took a few shots, but that showed he's got a chin so it's a fair trade off. Was it perfect, of course not, defence is a work in progress for him, but at this stage it was a great showing. I would keep him at Euro level for 4 to 5 fights before going for gold though, if his learning curve keeps going in the right direction he's got a great chance at grabbing a world belt in early 2014.

Lilo · 02-10-2013, 12:28 AM

Excellent performance from a fighter in his 16th fight. Headlining a sold out show in his home town against a real, tough, game European champion. Showed a decent chin too. I enjoy watching him fight and think it'll be a real fun ride in the future.

I don't think the Quigg fight will happen until there is a real world title at stake. Quigg's win over Munroe is more impressive IMO.

Bronxbull666 · 02-10-2013, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dftaylor

Only if you were listening to Jim "Put me in reverse" Watt!

Watt is starting to really grate on me. He is so negative and self-righteous and ruins boxing on Sky. I have been a fan of his co-commentary in the past, but there is being objective and then there is being irritatingly critical.

sharpy · 02-10-2013, 04:26 AM

Quigg handled munroe a lot more impressively there were lots of positives last night for Frampton but still lots of floors if I were quigg I'd be pushing for may 11th

DrMo · 02-10-2013, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilo

Excellent performance from a fighter in his 16th fight. Headlining a sold out show in his home town against a real, tough, game European champion. Showed a decent chin too. I enjoy watching him fight and think it'll be a real fun ride in the future.

I don't think the Quigg fight will happen until there is a real world title at stake. Quigg's win over Munroe is more impressive IMO.

Yep

Kiko might've been a bit fresher than Rendall but Quigg's performance was better. He didnt get caught as much & looked more dynamic when he let his hands go.

sharpy · 02-10-2013, 05:34 AM

I don't think rendall is over the hill neither is kiko. I think rendall knew from the first fight with quigg that he was going to lose the rematch but he still has a lot to offer at domestic Level. For me it's the fashion of the victories. The quigg munroe fight was win with ease and was almost boring it was so one sided where as people rave about framptons experience as an amateur so last night I was expecting kiko to be taught a lesson in the art of boxing but it turned out to be a fairly close tear up until the k.o

ashishwarrior · 02-10-2013, 05:36 AM

mapped out exactly as i thought good win for carl

Mr Butt · 02-10-2013, 06:36 AM

Good win and a very good finish but a bit concerning how easy at times his chin was hit . He has got to tighten up defensively

02-09-2013, 07:08 PM	#16
GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Spion Kop Posts: 30,812 vCash: 1000	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? I'm more impressed than if he'd have Martinez out early. He showed a lot tonight, still a bit to work on but he's looking good at this point in his career.
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02-09-2013, 07:11 PM	#17
iceferg Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,534 vCash: 547	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? the fight was going martinez's way at that point he needed that.
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02-09-2013, 07:15 PM	#18
raymann Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: france Posts: 529 vCash: 1331	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? after 16 fights hes boxing right at his level. theres absolutely no way there should be talk of world titles about now. he needs a good few fights at and around euro title/fringe world level to tighten his game up. the internet has made everyone way too impatient and its clear that this kids natural talent is there but at world level that isnt enough. its not close to enough. as well as talent you need experience, your flaws ironed out, the perfect support network that can also deal at the top level and impecable management. i think that people are going to get impatient with this kid but to achieve his potential hes needs to box to his level and learn his game. proska on the undercard is an example of what happens when you dont understand the rules of engagement, almost wasted natural talent without the right people training/managing him. the quig fight would be a great fight at this point. great fight though. seems like a top kid as well.
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02-09-2013, 08:13 PM	#20
True_Hero Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 323 vCash: 500	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? I was impressed. He's definitely not at world level yet. Besides he's young so he's no need to rush things. Carl should take his time, clear out the Euro scene before stepping up.
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02-09-2013, 08:15 PM	#21
KidJackal Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Dublin Posts: 858 vCash: 1500	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? Very good performance imo, got hit a fair amount but once again proved he can box off the back foot and dealt with the pressure well. I think he looks the goods, he's got the whole package, power, speed, chin(it seems), movement, combinations, temperment and versatility. That being said a few Euro defences would be good, I'd love the Quigg fight though. He'd take Quigg in a similar fashion, I'm very confident of that.
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02-09-2013, 08:27 PM	#22
ImElvis666 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 9,404 vCash: 327381	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? He's showed he can take a punch which is massively encouraging. He took a monster punch from Kiko before instantly replying with the knockout blow. That was damn impressive. His inexperience showed and he'll have learned a lot from this fight. Still work to be done. He could have imposed his ring generalship better and his defence was a little sloppy but overall you have to take your hat off to him. He knocked out a top 10/15 boxer who had never been hurt before in his 16th fight.
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02-09-2013, 09:09 PM	#23
effigy newbie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 49 vCash: 1000	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? Kiko's a tough guy, to KO him is a great marker from him at this point in his career. He took a few shots, but that showed he's got a chin so it's a fair trade off. Was it perfect, of course not, defence is a work in progress for him, but at this stage it was a great showing. I would keep him at Euro level for 4 to 5 fights before going for gold though, if his learning curve keeps going in the right direction he's got a great chance at grabbing a world belt in early 2014.
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02-10-2013, 12:28 AM	#24
Lilo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hong Kong via Sunderland Posts: 3,500 vCash: 500	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? Excellent performance from a fighter in his 16th fight. Headlining a sold out show in his home town against a real, tough, game European champion. Showed a decent chin too. I enjoy watching him fight and think it'll be a real fun ride in the future. I don't think the Quigg fight will happen until there is a real world title at stake. Quigg's win over Munroe is more impressive IMO.
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02-10-2013, 04:26 AM	#26
sharpy Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 181 vCash: 1000	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? Quigg handled munroe a lot more impressively there were lots of positives last night for Frampton but still lots of floors if I were quigg I'd be pushing for may 11th
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02-10-2013, 05:34 AM	#28
sharpy Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 181 vCash: 1000	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? I don't think rendall is over the hill neither is kiko. I think rendall knew from the first fight with quigg that he was going to lose the rematch but he still has a lot to offer at domestic Level. For me it's the fashion of the victories. The quigg munroe fight was win with ease and was almost boring it was so one sided where as people rave about framptons experience as an amateur so last night I was expecting kiko to be taught a lesson in the art of boxing but it turned out to be a fairly close tear up until the k.o
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02-10-2013, 05:36 AM	#29
ashishwarrior Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,407 vCash: 0	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? mapped out exactly as i thought good win for carl
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02-10-2013, 06:36 AM	#30
Mr Butt Champion East Side Guru Join Date: May 2009 Location: out preaching for the church of benn Posts: 5,853 vCash: 1054	Re: So, what do we think of Frampton's win? Good win and a very good finish but a bit concerning how easy at times his chin was hit . He has got to tighten up defensively
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