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Old 02-14-2013, 09:17 PM   #61
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Not with those names Pretty tough schedule for someone 'supposedly' cherry picking?
Never have I EVER said Leonard cherrypicked. I have him top 10 atg ffs
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:19 PM   #62
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But again, unifying 3 championships and beating HOF'ers > Ezzard Charles. MAYBE. Charles was a great shout and I mentioned him in my original post.
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I thought Hearns was later

But Green. Cmon now.
A few on here rate him above LWW lineal champion Hatton, he was pretty good but limited
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:31 PM   #64
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But again, unifying 3 championships and beating HOF'ers > Ezzard Charles. MAYBE. Charles was a great shout and I mentioned him in my original post.
I disagree personally BUT Robinson also beat champions of 3 divisions in 2 years, he could easily have beat LW, WW, MW champs in that time
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:35 PM   #65
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I disagree personally BUT Robinson also beat champions of 3 divisions in 2 years
Tell me you're not counting the Armstrong win.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:45 PM   #66
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Tell me you're not counting the Armstrong win.
I'm not convinced Armstrong was removed from prime as is assumed given some of his best wins came in this period HOWEVER SRR beat Angott, Zivic and Lamotta multiple time in those years, all good enough to be LW, WW and MW champions
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:58 PM   #67
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I'm not convinced Armstrong was removed from prime as is assumed given some of his best wins came in this period HOWEVER SRR beat Angott, Zivic and Lamotta multiple time in those years, all good enough to be LW, WW and MW champions
True but Angott was outsized big time fighting above LW iirc, Robinson was never the WW champion either. Saying he would have been means nothing, especially considering how Zivic was an asshole the whole time after winning the belt.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:52 PM   #68
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I dunno...It's tough to argue with anyone goes 41-0 (36 KO's) over a two year span, especially when they defeat the following list of fighters...

Mike Belloise
Benny Bass
Petey Sarron
Chalky Wright
Baby Arizmendi
Lew Feldman
Barney Ross
Lou Ambers
Cerefino Garcia
Frankie Klick

Former and future champions all.

Plus legit contenders like Feldman, Casanova, and Manfredo. And, unlike Greb, he stopped the vast majority of the people he faced in these two years. With the exception of Aldo Spaldi, everyone who managed to make it to the end was a HOF caliber fighter.

Maybe there were two year runs that were better. But in all honesty, this run, against these opponents, ensure that it can't be considered a mere pittance to any other run. It's quite a bit more than that.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:58 PM   #69
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The thing is, most posters are disregarding the fact that he started as a featherweight.
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True but Angott was outsized big time fighting above LW iirc, Robinson was never the WW champion either. Saying he would have been means nothing, especially considering how Zivic was an asshole the whole time after winning the belt.
Armstrong was still a contender, even though he was past his best. He was still able to defeat guys like the very capable Willie Joyce, the aforementioned Angott, Lew Jenkins, and Tippy Larkin, so a victory over him was still a nice feather in one's cap to have, even at that point.
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The thing is, most posters are disregarding the fact that he started as a featherweight.
Yeah, and that's the thing about this run. This is a guy who was essentially a featherweight/junior lightweight unifying at featherweight, and then winning two world championships at lightweight and welterweight. That's an utterly mind-boggling accomplishment, especially within the space of two years.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:03 PM   #72
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Yeah, and that's the thing about this run. This is a guy who was essentially a featherweight/junior lightweight unifying at featherweight, and then winning two world championships at lightweight and welterweight. That's an utterly mind-boggling accomplishment, especially within the space of two years.
It's just ridiculous. Saying Amrstrong missed out on Cocoa kid is like saying Robinson missed out on the entire murderers row.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:15 PM   #73
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His big wins in that period are indeed legendary accomplishments of epic proportions. Let's leave off the bit about how he went 27-0 in one year though. There are a lot of guys among those 27 whom a modern fighter would be laughed at for stepping in a ring with under any circumstances.
There are a couple of soft touches among those 27...but not too damned many, really. Only three of the guys Armstrong faced had losing records. And some of the guys who were only a little over .500 still had good results on their record (e.g. Drouillaird's draw with Kid Chocolate).

He fought 27 times, KO'd 26 opponents and unified at featherweight. Pretty impressive year...one of the best in history.
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True but Angott was outsized big time fighting above LW iirc, Robinson was never the WW champion either. Saying he would have been means nothing, especially considering how Zivic was an asshole the whole time after winning the belt.
Angott set the weight at a 136 catch weight so his lightweight title wasn't on the line, Robinson could easily have taken the title from him at 135

So no Robinson didn't get the belts then, but I think beating these 3 over the 3 weight classes is a similar achievement
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:36 AM   #75
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What was Charles again?
1947-1949 - Only one disputed loss. Wins against Moore, Walcott, Maxim, Bivins, Marshall, Ray, Oakland Billy.

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