The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Floyd above Harada is some kind of sick joke as is Harada so many tiers below Jofre.

Floyd is bestest Flea. Consistency. And unlike Lopez the man hoped up since weights, beat some baddies, and never lost. Bestest my man, bestest.

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

My brother, the next time you are in Philly, the cheesesteaks are on me!

I just watched Silver Linings Playbook (for the second time). If that was in Pittsburgh about the Steelers, it would win the Oscar.

Originally Posted by McGrain

Still waiting for someone to make the case for Loughran on paper but I would guess he'd sneak in.



Obviously I disagree, I have Louis a clear leap behind Ali.



Level one is for fighters who can legitimately be ranked on my list at #1 and the two guys in the top 10 p4p list below that (Ali and Charles). Leonard doesn't qualify.



Probably, sometimes he is my #3, I think he's top 5 certainly. Dempsey is my #13 or 14 at HW. He would not make my p4p top 100.



I rate Zarate way above Chandler. I don't have Chandler in my top 10 at BW. Chandler won't be on my 100.

Loughran took a fight off conceivably the greatest fighter of all time, held his own with Tunney, and beat Mickey Walker, all three of whom make your top 50. He also won against guys like Mike McTigue, Jeff Smith, Johnny Wilson, Young Stribling, Jimmy Slattery, Leo Lomski, Pete Latzo, and Georges Carpentier. If that's not enough Loughran moved up and held his own at heavyweight and even beat two future heavyweight champions in James Braddock (albeit at 175) and Max Baer, split a pair with another champion in Sharkey and took the reigning champion to the distance giving up 84 pounds.

[Manassa]

I'm just not sure how familiar everyone is with Leonard's opponents. There are some great names on there. I get the feeling most of them are forgotten. Jack Britton is a good example; by rights, he's really a top ten all-time welterweight.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by McGrain

As a top to bottom resume, Ezzard's is absolutely superb. He's a colossus.

Yeah but what do you say to the fact Leonard was widely regarded as the greatest ever?

[the cobra]

I don't like Ali on even terms with Charles and a full tier over Leonard. Seems wrong to me.

Room should be made for Hopkins on account of because.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Yeah but what do you say to the fact Leonard was widely regarded as the greatest ever?

New York fighter, New York press. But he's a decent shout for that position.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by the cobra

Room should be made for Hopkins on account of because.

I'm convinced.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

New York fighter, New York press. But he's a decent shout for that position.

Oh yeah.

So what about the numerous non-New York 'experts' and fighters who said Leonard was the best they ever saw?

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by McGrain

I don't agree with you about Floyd and possibly never will - although in fifteen years when you are looking back upon the career of an unbeaten, under-appreciated defensive specialist you'll probably feel differently

Never my chum, never.

He still has time. Beating the winner of Canelo-Trout would impress me I'm sure.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Manassa

I'm just not sure how familiar everyone is with Leonard's opponents. There are some great names on there. I get the feeling most of them are forgotten. Jack Britton is a good example; by rights, he's really a top five all-time welterweight.

Fixed.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

Floyd is bestest Flea. Consistency. And unlike Lopez the man hoped up since weights, beat some baddies, and never lost. Bestest my man, bestest.



I just watched Silver Linings Playbook (for the second time). If that was in Pittsburgh about the Steelers, it would win the Oscar.



Loughran took a fight off conceivably the greatest fighter of all time, held his own with Tunney, and beat Mickey Walker, all three of whom make your top 50. He also won against guys like Mike McTigue, Jeff Smith, Johnny Wilson, Young Stribling, Jimmy Slattery, Leo Lomski, Pete Latzo, and Georges Carpentier. If that's not enough Loughran moved up and held his own at heavyweight and even beat two future heavyweight champions in James Braddock (albeit at 175) and Max Baer, split a pair with another champion in Sharkey and took the reigning champion to the distance giving up 84 pounds.

Loughran is greater than Floyd Mayweather.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Fixed.

Even better!

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Tier III
Sandy SAddler, Eder Jofre, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin.

Tier IV
Gene Tunney, Ruben Olivares, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, George Dixon, Stanley Ketchel.

that´s for sure IMO.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Manassa

I'm just not sure how familiar everyone is with Leonard's opponents. There are some great names on there. I get the feeling most of them are forgotten. Jack Britton is a good example; by rights, he's really a top ten all-time welterweight.

Top two even! But check out the guys on this list, this ATG fighters list that Charles beat.

Originally Posted by Manassa

Yeah but what do you say to the fact Leonard was widely regarded as the greatest ever?

I would say that Dempsey was too, for a while.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Top two even! But check out the guys on this list, this ATG fighters list that Charles beat.



I would say that Dempsey was too, for a while.

Yeah but come on, it's Dempsey. At least with Leonard you can reason with it.

I know all about Charles. He just never seemed the stand out. Never seemed as invincible as Leonard. Shit, Leonard nearly stopped Britton for the welterweight title and lost on a foul; from the reading I've done, it seemed Britton had the best of the fight but tired as Leonard upped his game, taking control of the last few rounds and hurting Britton increasingly as the fight wore on.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Yeah but come on, it's Dempsey. At least with Leonard you can reason with it.

I know all about Charles. He just never seemed the stand out. Never seemed as invincible as Leonard. Shit, Leonard nearly stopped Britton for the welterweight title and lost on a foul; from the reading I've done, it seemed Britton had the best of the fight but tired as Leonard upped his game, taking control of the last few rounds and hurting Britton increasingly as the fight wore on.

I'm pretty sure it was Britton coming on. Senya did a whole thing on that fight in a thread about why there was no rematch.

And I don't find it logically consistent to say that the experts opinion matters when it comes too Leonard but not Dempsey.