boxing
Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-16-2013, 10:22 PM   #16
Arcane
One More Time
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,645
vCash: 488
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryx2012 View Post
wrong Roy had 0 fundalmentals and relied only on reflexes and speed and had 0 to back it up..fighters like Hopkins have fundalmentals and can fight in
Hopkins never had one punch KO power or blistering speed so as his career progressed he was able to adjust his style accordingly and he had plenty of time to evaluate what was happening to him physically and how he could make those changes to maximise his skills but Jones almost literally fell off over night, he went up to face Ruiz and came down another fighter. The only thing that helped him beat Tarver the first time was the self belief and confidence he had that he was still that same Roy Jones and it carried him through but once he finally got KO'd in the rematch all that vanished and he knew it wasn't like before, but it was too late switch it up then and he's pretty much stook with the same style minus the speed, reflexes and power and today you see a shell of a fighter.
Arcane is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 02-16-2013, 10:29 PM   #17
NOTINDAFACE
No Me Se Rajar
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Roma, Italia.
Posts: 1,239
vCash: 75
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryx2012 View Post
question..can you name half the guys int hose highlights?
Question, can you name me 2 fighters your idol beat that was greater then Toney and Hopkins who also was in their prime?
NOTINDAFACE is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 12:10 AM   #18
the cobra
Awesomeizationism!
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,005
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryx2012 View Post
wrong Roy had 0 fundalmentals and relied only on reflexes and speed and had 0 to back it up.
You really just know absolute **** about boxing, don't you?

FFS.
the cobra is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 12:15 AM   #19
janeschicken
hard work! deadicayshin!
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 10,060
vCash: 248
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NOTINDAFACE View Post
Question, can you name me 2 fighters your idol beat that was greater then Toney and Hopkins who also was in their prime?
Post-Chico Mayweather would never touch another top P4P fighter who was in his weight class.
janeschicken is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 12:45 AM   #20
larryx2012
I AM BETTER THEN YOU
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: MEMPHIS,TENN HOME OF THE FIRST 48
Posts: 5,034
vCash: 571251
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcane View Post
Hopkins never had one punch KO power or blistering speed so as his career progressed he was able to adjust his style accordingly and he had plenty of time to evaluate what was happening to him physically and how he could make those changes to maximise his skills but Jones almost literally fell off over night, he went up to face Ruiz and came down another fighter. The only thing that helped him beat Tarver the first time was the self belief and confidence he had that he was still that same Roy Jones and it carried him through but once he finally got KO'd in the rematch all that vanished and he knew it wasn't like before, but it was too late switch it up then and he's pretty much stook with the same style minus the speed, reflexes and power and today you see a shell of a fighter.
Jones relied on reflexes and athletism...once they were gone he had nothing..plus he roided
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOTINDAFACE View Post
Question, can you name me 2 fighters your idol beat that was greater then Toney and Hopkins who also was in their prime?
My idol??the hell kind of **** are you on..bit Floyds resume ****s all over roys easily,

Quote:
Originally Posted by the cobra View Post
You really just know absolute **** about boxing, don't you?

FFS.
i know more then you..Roy was my favorite fighter but his resume is weak as hell..sure he showed alot of talent against nobodies but once he lose his reflexes and speed he had nothing to fall back on
larryx2012 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 12:52 AM   #21
Saintpat
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,240
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

You can break Roy down over a number of fights and see that he does have skills and fundamentals -- but that they are unconventional skills and fundamentals.

I've seen many RJ Sr. fighters in the amateur and they all fight an unconventional style (a style that RJJ took to different levels due to his speed and athleticism). They don't fight textbook, but there is a method to the madness. It starts with everything largely being keyed off the other guy's jab and the RJ Sr. fighter dipping left or right at the waist to counter it. Watch RJJ, especially in the first half of his career, and you'll see it.
Saintpat is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 01:12 AM   #22
bernie4366
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,841
vCash: 1090
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CASH_718 View Post
More like least skilled.

There's a reason that the minute he lost some of his reflexes and speed he turned to dog ****.
That's pretty much a line of demarcation... if you think RJJ didn't have skills it's pretty clear that you DKSAB. You seriously have to know next to nothing not to realize just how good he was. One of, if not THE best offensive fighters of all times. And you think he didn't have skills?? Even other ATG fighters will tell you that Roy's skillset is ****ing mesmerizing. He's forgotten more about how to get a glove to your chin than most fighters will ever know.

lol moron
bernie4366 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 01:15 AM   #23
bernie4366
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,841
vCash: 1090
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryx2012 View Post
Jones relied on reflexes and athletism...once they were gone he had nothing..plus he roided
My idol??the hell kind of **** are you on..bit Floyds resume ****s all over roys easily,


i know more then you..Roy was my favorite fighter but his resume is weak as hell..sure he showed alot of talent against nobodies but once he lose his reflexes and speed he had nothing to fall back on
yeah... once Ali's reflexes were gone he couldn't even hang with Leon Spinks or Trevor Berbick huh? Soon as SRR got old he got EXPOSED, couldn't even hang with Stan Harrington, man he SUCKED!
bernie4366 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 02:11 AM   #24
paloalto00
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,638
vCash: 347
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

boxing ability: Floyd is well ahead
Pure ability: I can't think of any fighter than can top Roy
paloalto00 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 03:34 AM   #25
bald_head_slick
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: In the ring with you impossible to drop
Posts: 13,748
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Different type of fighter. Only can think of Tyson as a fighter with similar natural gifts.

Definitely more exciting for the layman.
bald_head_slick is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 03:40 AM   #26
Bogotazo
Amateur
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 14,721
vCash: 121
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

People need to wake up to the fact that when they see a fighter who can afford to fight with their hands down, it doesn't mean they have 0 skills. Controlling a ring efficiently, knowing what feints to use, knowing whether to slip towards the outside or inside, what to throw after slipping either way, knowing how to set up a body shot, knowing how to bait counters, knowing how to throw short compact punches, those are all fundamental skills. You don't make it to that level in boxing just be being quick and having a punch. People who say Roy had no skills are ****ing clueless. A shot fighter is a shot fighter, no matter how skilled they are.
Bogotazo is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 04:23 AM   #27
Dee
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: London Innit
Posts: 1,121
vCash: 75
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

It's the fans that always use a fighter's '0' as an excuse as to why he's great that really ****es me off.

If ****head fans didn't think like that, fighters wouldnt be so scare to preserve that '0', and we would be more likely to get the best match-ups out there.
Dee is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 05:54 AM   #28
NOTINDAFACE
No Me Se Rajar
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Roma, Italia.
Posts: 1,239
vCash: 75
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryx2012 View Post
Jones relied on reflexes and athletism...once they were gone he had nothing..plus he roided
My idol??the hell kind of **** are you on..bit Floyds resume ****s all over roys easily,


i know more then you..Roy was my favorite fighter but his resume is weak as hell..sure he showed alot of talent against nobodies but once he lose his reflexes and speed he had nothing to fall back on
Got nothing, i figured as much. Only thing you can point to is that he is undefeated

You make fun of one guys resume, but your idol who you love got just as a weak resume or even worse.
NOTINDAFACE is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 05:56 AM   #29
NOTINDAFACE
No Me Se Rajar
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Roma, Italia.
Posts: 1,239
vCash: 75
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryx2012 View Post
Jones relied on reflexes and athletism...once they were gone he had nothing..plus he roided
My idol??the hell kind of **** are you on..bit Floyds resume ****s all over roys easily,


i know more then you..Roy was my favorite fighter but his resume is weak as hell..sure he showed alot of talent against nobodies but once he lose his reflexes and speed he had nothing to fall back on
Toney and Hopkins in their prime tops every win Floyd ever had
NOTINDAFACE is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 11:14 AM   #30
CASH_718
"You ****ed Healy?"
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posts: 9,547
vCash: 1644
Default Re: Watching this made me realize (Roy Jones jr.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bernie4366 View Post
That's pretty much a line of demarcation... if you think RJJ didn't have skills it's pretty clear that you DKSAB. You seriously have to know next to nothing not to realize just how good he was. One of, if not THE best offensive fighters of all times. And you think he didn't have skills?? Even other ATG fighters will tell you that Roy's skillset is ****ing mesmerizing. He's forgotten more about how to get a glove to your chin than most fighters will ever know.

lol moron
Did I say anything about him not being good? Roy was ****in amazing and the fact that he was so great while doing everything wrong shows that.

Roy had a style of his own just like Naz and Donaire. They have the natural talent to throw out the logic that applies to most boxers and still dominate with amazing reflexes, speed and power.

There a reason that everyone(besides Donaire) that tries to fight like Roy fails.

If anyone thinks Roy has some amazing technical skills dksab.
CASH_718 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump






All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2015