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Old 02-12-2008, 08:00 PM   #16
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I was always under the impression he was best at 215 to 220.

Up to five pounds below the weight that was mentioned.
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:10 PM   #17
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I was always under the impression he was best at 215 to 220.

Up to five pounds below the weight that was mentioned.

okay, we'll call it 217.5 lbs as being more of an ideal weight.
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:21 PM   #18
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Heh, not trying to bicker, just saying.

He was 215 against Spinks and some feel that was his best ever performance.

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Old 02-12-2008, 08:25 PM   #19
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Heh, not trying to bicker, just saying.

He was 215 against Spinks and some feel that was his best ever performance.

218 1/4 vs. Spinks. But I heard he put on another 1 and 3/4s at the Atlantic City Buffet before the fight.
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:40 PM   #20
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Boxrec says 215 1/2
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:42 PM   #21
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Boxrec says 215 1/2
brotha, now you just gettin silly.

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Jones had a great total of one fight against the least dangerous opponent.
Yes, an opponent who was able to deck Holyfield
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And how well do you think the Toney that got knocked down by Johnson or Jones is going to take Peter's punches?
Huh? Are we discussing the same Toney who went 12 rounds with Peter TWICE in real life? Toney was weakened by having to make the weight against RJJ, but went the distance anyway, and he beat Johnson.
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Probably the result of the fight would resemble your nickname.
Well, after 24 rounds with Peter, he still seems to have all his marbles. The fact is that he did go in for a rematch with Peter, who most predicted would break Toney in half before their first tiff. If Toney was at his best weight, not under or overweight, and at his peak age, then yes, I believe he would be strong enough to manage quite well among the heavyweights while under 200 himself. If he had the weight control discipline of an SRL, he could have posed serious problems for many plodding behemoths polluting the heavyweight ranks.
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I agree, a SHW division wouldn't add much. However, the cruiserweight division is very interesting today. Haye, Mormeck, Maccarinelli, Bell, Cunningham and Adamek are all interesting fighters and they fight each other.

Without the cruiserweight division, there is a gigantic gap between light heavyweight and heavyweight. Times have changed; heavyweights are no longer around 190lbs.
Times will change again, as smaller speedsters begin to realize how easily they can outmaneuver and outcoordinate 250 pound tanks with superior conditioning and quickness. Huge heavyweights also make for huge targets.
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:00 AM   #23
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I agree with all of these points.
So you agree that Toney would never be able to stand up to Peter's attack, that he'd get instantly crushed, immediately out of the gate, and want no more of Peter after stepping in the ring with him once?
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Burns KO9 Klitschko.
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I am in favor of a 300 pound weight divsion. Who is with me.
I think a Sumo Division would be an excellent idea. Butterbean would no longer have to weaken himself to make weight.(Remember that he acquired that name because he had to eat a diet of chicken and butterbeans for two weeks to get his weight down from 420 pounds to the Toughman competition limit of 400.)
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:12 PM   #27
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If they want to add YET ANOTHER weight division, then they should lower cruiserweight back down to 190, and put the new division at 200, 205 or 210.

But I think we need LESS divisions, not more. Go back to the eight traditional weight divisions - fly (112), bantam(118 ), feather(126), light(135), welter(147), middle(160), light-heavy(175) and heavy (open to all).
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:21 PM   #28
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Huh? Are we discussing the same Toney who went 12 rounds with Peter TWICE in real life? Toney was weakened by having to make the weight against RJJ, but went the distance anyway, and he beat Johnson.Well, after 24 rounds with Peter, he still seems to have all his marbles. The fact is that he did go in for a rematch with Peter, who most predicted would break Toney in half before their first tiff. If Toney was at his best weight, not under or overweight, and at his peak age, then yes, I believe he would be strong enough to manage quite well among the heavyweights while under 200 himself. If he had the weight control discipline of an SRL, he could have posed serious problems for many plodding behemoths polluting the heavyweight ranks.
It's too bad that Toney's name can never be brought up in one sentence without three "if's" in that very same sentence. Here are some more if's for you: If Toney couldn't get by Griffin, Thadzi (spelling), Tiberi, how is he going to fare against heavyweights?

A lot of people, myself included, think that while he was overweight at 220+lbs, the extra mass certainly helped him absorb those big shots and prevented him from being shoved around like a 170lbs man would've been.

I have to admit, though, that i didn't expect Toney to last against Peter. The first time because i thought he couldn't take those big punches and the second time because Peter just couldn't miss him in the rematch.

That said, Toney may well be one of the most durable fighters, EVER. pound for pound.


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Times will change again, as smaller speedsters begin to realize how easily they can outmaneuver and outcoordinate 250 pound tanks with superior conditioning and quickness. Huge heavyweights also make for huge targets.
Really? They had thirty years to realize how they could easily outmaneuver and outcoordinate 250 tanks, but at this very day, the result is nothing because all the top guys are big heavyweights.


By the way, i liked you better when you were posting under the name Duodenum. What happened?!
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:22 PM   #29
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Back than if Micky Walker wanted to fight heavyweight with out gainin weight, he had the RIGHT to choose so. Today, James Toney gains weight just to make the "Weight". I say if a middleweight "Wants" to fight heavyweight witu out gaining weight, he has that choice.
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Old 02-15-2008, 01:28 PM   #30
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Usually it gets talked about when there is a very big guy doing well in the divison. Like a cry for help because of some big, bad bully coming along and picking on the little guys.

I guess the counter point would be that all the superheavies of note have lost to smaller, lighter guys than themselves.

A typical superheavy will also have his own problems and deficiencies to overcome due to his large size and long limbs - footwork, coordination, handspeed, stamina and so on.

To be honest I think it pretty much levels out, and doesn't necessitate a SHW divison.

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