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Old 10-21-2012, 05:59 AM   #31
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you know..im still not sure on all that...how much force does headgear take off..and for what it does take off (i think it does..im not one of the people who buys into what fox sports science show says) does that make up for having a bigger target (i can totally slip punches without headgear that i get hit with when wearing headgear).
Headgear as my coach explains it, is worn to prevent cuts, just like gloves were originally made not to reduce damage to the other person's face but to reduce the damage to the puncher's hand. I pefer sparring without headgear, like you said makes certain things better, also has a habit of blocking my view or coming undone, mid fighting.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:11 AM   #32
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you know..im still not sure on all that...how much force does headgear take off..and for what it does take off (i think it does..im not one of the people who buys into what fox sports science show says) does that make up for having a bigger target (i can totally slip punches without headgear that i get hit with when wearing headgear).
When somebody goes "KO" it is because their brain gets smashed too hard against their skull, it happens when your skull accelarates too fast thanks to a punch or another blow.
Headgear doesn't stop your head from accelerating.

An average head weighs between 4.5 and 5 kg. I suspect boxers to generally have bigger heads.
Headgear weighs 300-350 gram.
That would be adding another 7% weight(for an average person), I don't see that as significant enough to reduce KO power in punches by a wide margin.

I suspect boxers to generally have bigger heads because they're men and the average probably include women, generally bigger men (especially the HW division, bigger people are more likely to have bigger heads), and boxing favours big heads because heavier heads are harder to accelerate (makes it harder to score a KO blow)

Head gear is for preventing cuts, not knockouts or brain trauma.
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When somebody goes "KO" it is because their brain gets smashed too hard against their skull, it happens when your skull accelarates too fast thanks to a punch or another blow.
Headgear doesn't stop your head from accelerating.

An average head weighs between 4.5 and 5 kg. I suspect boxers to generally have bigger heads.
Headgear weighs 300-350 gram.
That would be adding another 7% weight(for an average person), I don't see that as significant enough to reduce KO power in punches by a wide margin.

I suspect boxers to generally have bigger heads because they're men and the average probably include women, generally bigger men (especially the HW division, bigger people are more likely to have bigger heads), and boxing favours big heads because heavier heads are harder to accelerate (makes it harder to score a KO blow)

Head gear is for preventing cuts, not knockouts or brain trauma.
I agree on the main purpose of head gear being to prevent cuts...but i do think that it gives some extra Cushin, which should, in theory take off some of the force. I have even heard people claim that smaller or bigger gloves make no difference in punching force..and they have so called studies that prove it. But for me...getting hit with 8 oz gloves is more forceful than 16, and it also seems like headgear takes a little force off.
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:35 AM   #34
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Marciano's sparring partner's said they almost cherished the moments between fights, because when a fight rolled round and Marciano was in shape and focused he absolutley brutalized them.

Max Baer's sparring partners, alot of the time just fooled around with Max trying not to get him mad because his power was too punishing.
Sure I read somewhere think it was Toxie Hall who said that he used to have to where some kind of football protectors type things around his midsection to protect him against the body punishment from Rocky think he said he broke a rib one time even wearing them pretty sure Toxie never went down in sparring tho and think he might've put Rock down himself once in the run up to the ****ell match
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