Why do people keep saying Floyd needs to fight Martinez? - Page 4

Slickstar · 02-19-2013, 03:48 PM

I'd say Floyd is a small welterweight. pacquiao, who everyone considers a small welter, in his last fight weighed more than Floyd ever has. Mayweather happens to have an elongated build.

larryx2012 · 02-19-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MannySteward

Mayweather is a champ at 154lb.

Martinez is a former 154lb champ who has stated several times that he only left the division for big fights.

So if Martinez is a 154lb fighter and Floyd competes at 154lb. WHY SHOULDNT THEY FIGHT?

Floyd is #1 P4P and Martinez is #2/3 depending on where you have Ward.

How rare is it to have two top P4P fighters that are able to fight each other?

You, as a boxing fan, should be demanding this. Instead you are continuing to be a flomo dick rider. 'whatever you do is fine with me Floyd. Don't worry, i won't ever demand you take a serious challenge. I'm a TRUE fan. Keep ripping me off for the chump that i am'.

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KO KIDD · 02-19-2013, 03:50 PM

I laugh at people saying Martinez is still a 154lber

i laughed when Paul Williams was a 154 and 160 for several years and people were ranking him as a welter and picking him over all these fighters and ranking him as a welter when he hadnt fought there in a few yrs and didnt plan to

Martinez wont move down and probably wouldnt comfortably make the weight

i could see him maybe bending to the almighty dollar to retire with a big check

if Floyd fights Martinez it should be at middle or at a catchweight like Oscar did vs Hopkins

Toker · 02-19-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

One division below is also quite loaded. He rather be the king of a relatively empty division.

But the Middleweight division has history, and prestige. Besides he's an Argentine. If he could I bet he'd like to be considered better than the great (greatest in my book) Middleweight Carlos Monzon! I don't think it's possible but I think he thinks it is. In his mind beating Mayweather will be like Monzon beating Nopales.

bballchump11 · 02-19-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

what about at 157?

Yeah Sergio could make that easily. Only a hater would complain about this fight even with the the catchweight

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Originally Posted by MannySteward

I don't agree with you on this bball.

Martinez made 154lb about 3 years ago. And even for several fights at middleweight, most recently against Macklin, he weighed in at 157.5lbs Weighing in at 2.5lbs below 160 doesn't suggest to me that he is a full middleweight. He probably didn't even have to dehydrate. I mean, why would he if he had so much of a gap in weight.

If he says he can make it I believe him. The guy is a fitness freak and knows his body.

Respect your opinion though. Maybe you have a point. If he wasn't so old i would love him to fight once at 154lb and then fight Mayweather.

Those extra 3.5 pounds are going to be the hardest to lose for the 38+ year old Martinez.
Don't get me wrong though, I do want to see this fight and preferably at 154. I hope I'm wrong about the weight

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Originally Posted by shaunster101

I take the point about Chad Dawson and I did have the same thing in mind. I don't detract anything from Ward's win though. Dawson called him out at that weight and got his azz beat.

yeah I feel you. Tbh, this fight is first on my wishlist. I have a bad feeling about history repeating itself again, but if Sergio offers the fight again to Floyd, he should accept.

Emeritus · 02-19-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MannySteward

Floyd last fought at 135lbs 10 years ago. He also failed to make a catch weight against Marquez proving he isn't in fact a small 147lb fighter. Martinez last fought at 154lb 3 years ago. He has also never missed weight and two fights ago weighed in at 157.5 for a middlweight bout.

Stop making shit comparisons you tool.

LOL Im sorry but because he failed to make the weight with Marquez fight doesn't mean he is a small WW.

SRL says he is, and many others have too.....I will take their word over yours....it is a well known fact Mayweather doesn't drain and probably because he was off for 21 months got his weight wrong for the fight.

That doesn't mean he isn't a small WW when clearly he is.

Martinez fought at 154lb 4 years ago not 3. Yes he did weigh 157.5lbs and then rehydrated for the fight Floyd weighed in 151lbs for his last fight and lost weight for the actual fight! Even if you take the weigh in weights that is a disparity of 6.5lbs MORE on fight night!

shaunster101 · 02-19-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Emeritus

No one else is asked to do this no one!

No one else is claming to be the best fighter ever born.

Also, David Haye has been outweighed by 30+ pounds in his last 3-4 fights.

You're talking about 8 ****ing pounds.

MannySteward · 02-19-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by larryx2012

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JMM was a 135lb fighter that had NEVER fought north of that division.

Mosley was NOT a P4P fighter when Mayweather fought him. He wasn't even in the top 20

IntentionalButt · 02-19-2013, 03:53 PM

He doesn't need to. It would be really impressive if he did.

turbotime · 02-19-2013, 03:53 PM

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Wasnt Pacquiao outweighed by 17 pounds on fight night when he fought Margarito? I dont see the problem here

Margarito sucks.

TheJuggernaut · 02-19-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Emeritus

LOL Im sorry but because he failed to make the weight with Marquez fight doesn't mean he is a small WW.

SRL says he is, and many others have too.....I will take their word over yours....it is a well known fact Mayweather doesn't drain and probably because he was off for 21 months got his weight wrong for the fight.

That doesn't mean he isn't a small WW when clearly he is.

Martinez fought at 154lb 4 years ago not 3. Yes he did weigh 157.5lbs and then rehydrated for the fight Floyd weighed in 151lbs for his last fight and lost weight for the weigh in! Even if you take the weigh in weights that is a disparity of 6.5lbs MORE on fight night!

What does that matter when you're the greatest fighter on the planet?

Toker · 02-19-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

He doesn't need to. It would be really impressive if he did.

Truth

turbotime · 02-19-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MannySteward

JMM was a 135lb fighter that had NEVER fought north of that division.

Mosley was NOT a P4P fighter when Mayweather fought him. He wasn't even in the top 20

Marquez was weighing more than Mayweather on fight night ever since his 130 lb days.

MannySteward · 02-19-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shaunster101

No one else is claming to be the best fighter ever born.

Also, David Haye has been outweighed by 30+ pounds in his last 3-4 fights.

You're talking about 8 ****ing pounds.

I don't think the Haye comparison is legit. It's proportional. Weight is gonna mean less and less as you get higher in the weight divisions.

shaunster101 · 02-19-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

He doesn't need to. It would be really impressive if he did.

That's it. And as fans of course we're going to call for these guys to push themselves.

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KO KIDD Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,011 vCash: 835	Re: Why do people keep saying Floyd needs to fight Martinez? I laugh at people saying Martinez is still a 154lber i laughed when Paul Williams was a 154 and 160 for several years and people were ranking him as a welter and picking him over all these fighters and ranking him as a welter when he hadnt fought there in a few yrs and didnt plan to Martinez wont move down and probably wouldnt comfortably make the weight i could see him maybe bending to the almighty dollar to retire with a big check if Floyd fights Martinez it should be at middle or at a catchweight like Oscar did vs Hopkins
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