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Old 02-23-2013, 12:52 PM   #16
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Jeffries was a crawler in his prime, wasn't he ? I think Smith having to punch down at a target would give him problems. He was not exactly a good boxer either, and he had no inside game. He was a limited banger.

Jeffries UD15 Smith

I also think Jeffries would do well against the plodding/come forward Whiterspoon. I see a SD here for one or the other. Jeffries has the size and the strength to prevent Tim from bullying him.

Now, Thomas is the biggest problem for Jeffries. The jab, athleticism and overall ability is probably too much. Thomas scores a very late stoppage (rounds 13 onwards) or wins a wide UD.
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Did said light heavy ever have the sack to challenge a prime heavyweight like Spoon or Pinky? Or did he instead fight a Norwegian pastry and an overgrown Leprechaun with a penchant for the booger sugar?
If he had fought any of these guys, he would probably have gone into the fight as the betting favourite.

My point is that you over value the size argument.

Michael Spinks weighed 170lbs a few months before he ripped the title from Holmes. That is less than Bob Fitzsimmons in most of his heavyweight fights.

Of course he had the use of various modern suplements which were unavailable to Fitzsimmons, which alowed him to fill out to 199 lbs.

You will always get fighters like that penetrating the heavyweight division though.

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Old 02-23-2013, 01:24 PM   #18
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You will always get fighters like that penetrating the heavyweight division though.
Yes, for tiny little windows. They are opportunists who see old or middling titlists and grab the brass ring during these brief moments of vulnerability.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:43 PM   #19
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Yes, for tiny little windows. They are opportunists who see old or middling titlists and grab the brass ring during these brief moments of vulnerability.
Hasn't it always been thus?

No light heavyweight has ever atained any degree of dominance in the heavyweight division.
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He would lose to all of them
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Hasn't it always been thus?

No light heavyweight has ever atained any degree of dominance in the heavyweight division.
Sure, it makes stuff exciting!

We (or most of us) love the underdog.

But longevity in the division is predicated upon durability, which is almost impossible without the requisite size.
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What's going to be at the forward, aft, starboard and port side of my mind is how Jeffries struggled against the lilly white Liliputians of his day.
jeffries was indestructible against middle weights
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Jeffries was a crawler in his prime, wasn't he ? I think Smith having to punch down at a target would give him problems. He was not exactly a good boxer either, and he had no inside game. He was a limited banger.

Jeffries UD15 Smith

I also think Jeffries would do well against the plodding/come forward Whiterspoon. I see a SD here for one or the other. Jeffries has the size and the strength to prevent Tim from bullying him.

Now, Thomas is the biggest problem for Jeffries. The jab, athleticism and overall ability is probably too much. Thomas scores a very late stoppage (rounds 13 onwards) or wins a wide UD.
I agree the slow pace of Bonecrusher, and Witherspoon would suit Jeffries, he said he had problems with the smaller Sharkey because Sharkey was always on him.
Ruhlin the biggest decent man Jeffries fought backpedalled in their title fight. How Jeffries would handle that thudding jab of Pink's is a poser to me too?

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If he had fought any of these guys, he would probably have gone into the fight as the betting favourite.

My point is that you over value the size argument.

Michael Spinks weighed 170lbs a few months before he ripped the title from Holmes. That is less than Bob Fitzsimmons in most of his heavyweight fights.

Of course he had the use of various modern suplements which were unavailable to Fitzsimmons, which alowed him to fill out to 199 lbs.

You will always get fighters like that penetrating the heavyweight division though.
Spinks scaled 175 for his last lhvy defence ,3 months prior to the Holmes fight .He put on 24lbs of muscle in 12 weeks.
Imagine Fitz, or Choynski with Mackie Shilstone supervising their diets and conditioning?
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Spinks scaled 175 for his last lhvy defence ,3 months prior to the Holmes fight .He put on 24lbs of muscle in 12 weeks.
Imagine Fitz, or Choynski with Mackie Shilstone supervising their diets and conditioning?
A 200lb Fitzsimmons is a terifying thought, and it is probably true to say that it could be done today.
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I think Jeffries loses to all three. Bonecrusher, obviously the hardest puncher of the trio, would take Jeffries out inside the distance maybe not as dramatically as Jack Johnson did but he'd beat him inside the distance. And both Thomas and Witherspoon would beat him with a combinational textbook of boxing and inside fighting but they'd both beat him by decision. Witherspoon would probably have the toughest time of the three getting it done, due to his eratic tendancy of always not coming to into the ring in good shape and Pinklon "Pinky" would box J.Jeffries shoes off!
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I think Jeffries loses to all three. Bonecrusher, obviously the hardest puncher of the trio, would take Jeffries out inside the distance maybe not as dramatically as Jack Johnson did but he'd beat him inside the distance. And both Thomas and Witherspoon would beat him with a combinational textbook of boxing and inside fighting but they'd both beat him by decision. Witherspoon would probably have the toughest time of the three getting it done, due to his eratic tendancy of always not coming to into the ring in good shape and Pinklon "Pinky" would box J.Jeffries shoes off!
You make me wonder how Jeffries ever managed to win a fight.

I dount that yopu could find a genuinely great fighter from any era who would loose to "all three" of these men.
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