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Old 02-12-2014, 10:58 AM   #31
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Hands up if you want to spar Kristian, I can easily arrange that for you.
For those that are interested his last fight was a win against a 5-0 lad.
There is more to evaluating someones fitness to box than their record, as a few on here have said.
James Toney has a very good record, he shouldn't have been allowed near a boxing ring in years.
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It looks like Laight is finally getting a bit of reward for all his yeoman work...his schedule over the next month includes a debutant followed by two straight chaps with zero wins and eleven losses between them.

Kristian might crack double-digits in the W column in barely over a fortnight.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:55 PM   #33
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Fighters like Laight and Buckley are the backbone of british boxing. Without them there would be no Naz no Calzaghe. etc.
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:49 AM   #34
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As someone hinted at, you can't really go for the win.
Once you hit a certain low on your record, you're never going to win a title,
so to make money from boxing you become a journeyman and fight prospects.
If you beat a prospect however, what promoter would risk putting you in with their prospect?
Therefore a win = too dangerous to pad a record against = no more fights.

Below is an interesting documentary on Johnny Greaves which goes into all this and looks at his mentality as a journeyman.

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Old 02-14-2014, 11:21 AM   #35
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Can someone explain to me how a fighter with a record of 7-140-6 gets licensed?

I thought this had to be a misprint, but, alas, this guy has lost ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY fights and he's allowed to step into a ring? Against an Olympic prospect no less?

Are there no standards, no safety concerns, in England? Do they license mice to fight cats also?

This is the greatest disgrace I have encountered in many a year. If Mr. Laight were as bad at haircutting as he is at boxing, he surely wouldn't be licensed. If he drove as bad as he fights, he surely wouldn't be licensed to drive a taxicab. If he cooked as bad as he fought, no restaurant would let him anywhere near a kitchen.

At last is there no decency in British boxing?

Your a dickhead Journeymen have a special place in boxing and hes coming off a win againts Craig Whyatt who was a good amateur so keep your mongy thoughts to yourself, ive bet you have never boxed
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:23 AM   #36
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Hands up if you want to spar Kristian, I can easily arrange that for you.
For those that are interested his last fight was a win against a 5-0 lad.
There is more to evaluating someones fitness to box than their record, as a few on here have said.
James Toney has a very good record, he shouldn't have been allowed near a boxing ring in years.
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:25 AM   #37
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As someone hinted at, you can't really go for the win.
Once you hit a certain low on your record, you're never going to win a title,
so to make money from boxing you become a journeyman and fight prospects.
If you beat a prospect however, what promoter would risk putting you in with their prospect?
Therefore a win = too dangerous to pad a record against = no more fights.

Below is an interesting documentary on Johnny Greaves which goes into all this and looks at his mentality as a journeyman.

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I don't see how it really is any different than folks who make a living as sparring partners, who are in equal measure the necessary but unseen 'backbone' of the sport? Those people are not taking any less damage on their brain with the headgear on, going so many rounds more than even a busy pro journeyman. I wonder if people questioning why these boxers with massive losing records get sanctioned are considering that it might actually be a safer route than non-pros who serve as whipping boys in the gym? (for which there is no oversight except the coaches themselves; no sanctioning body or regulating commission whatsoever..)
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Old 02-14-2014, 01:37 PM   #38
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People dont understand to be a journeyman you have to be good and know how to fight!!!!
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People dont understand to be a journeyman you have to be good and know how to fight!!!!
Yep, otherwise you would be a tomato can. Different kettle of fish, and as a rule the careers of cans don't bang on a fraction as long as those of journeymen.

You don't generally see many records with dozens upon dozens of knockout losses. You do come across them now and then, but extremely rare and usually hailing from some mainland Euro backwater land, never in more humanitarian and strictly regulated places like the UK or US.
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Yep, otherwise you would be a tomato can. Different kettle of fish, and as a rule the careers of cans don't bang on a fraction as long as those of journeymen.

You don't generally see many records with dozens upon dozens of knockout losses. You do come across them now and then, but extremely rare and usually hailing from some mainland Euro backwater land, never in more humanitarian and strictly regulated places like the UK or US.
Yes mate there are plenty of tomato cans who have gone pro from white collar that need their license taken off them rather than decent journeyman.

People are forgetting some of these fighters with 3-67 type records can four or five fights without getting hit clean.

Boxing is one of the hardest sports in the world and to be doing it 12-15 times a year you need to have some talent!
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Yes mate there are plenty of tomato cans who have gone pro from white collar that need their license taken off them rather than decent journeyman.

People are forgetting some of these fighters with 3-67 type records can four or five fights without getting hit clean.

Boxing is one of the hardest sports in the world and to be doing it 12-15 times a year you need to have some talent!


There are probably loads of journeymen working harder at their craft (more hours put in @ the gym per week, etc, more sweat and blood poured out in sparring...) than most reigning titlists.
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Old 02-14-2014, 01:51 PM   #42
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i honestly believe that guys like laight etc can beat some of these up and comers they face but choose not to as it may stop there fight offers.
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Old 02-14-2014, 01:52 PM   #43
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i honestly believe that guys like laight etc can beat some of these up and comers they face but choose not to as it may stop there fight offers.
Kris won two weeks ago.
His fight that was lined up for last week was called off two days before without reason.
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Lord, what cunts these matchmakers be!
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:23 AM   #45
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Hands up if you want to spar Kristian, I can easily arrange that for you.
For those that are interested his last fight was a win against a 5-0 lad.
There is more to evaluating someones fitness to box than their record, as a few on here have said.
James Toney has a very good record, he shouldn't have been allowed near a boxing ring in years.
Hi Lee,

Wasn't the win over Craig a robbery though?. Craig, Boxrec and most fans i've read and spoken to have said it was a awful decision from the ref.

TBH Kristian's probably been robbed over 20 times at the very least so he deserved some good fortune.
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