Why Pride will always be greater > than UFC

[sugarngold]

ONE FC is fun too - and the perfect example of why Pride fans need to stop living in the past when there's so much happening today to enjoy.

[roscoe]

I luved the 10min 1st round of Pride..........sorted the men out from the boys.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by sugarngold

ONE FC is fun too - and the perfect example of why Pride fans need to stop living in the past when there's so much happening today to enjoy.

If there's a benchmark the UFC should be held to, it should be Pride.

I think a good realization has come up..

All the criticisms, that made the UFC supposedly better than Pride, the UFC is now dirty of as well, what with the filler fights, mob involvement, fixed and freakshow fights..

They are all happening in the UFC currently, where we couldn't comfortably say so two or three years ago.

Rampage brought it up before he left the UFC. He was trying to bring back the guy who fought, because he loved to fight, a guy who wanted to show the world he was somebody, and he was great, win or lose.

Just a different time now.. I think in part it's different because MMA skillwise is more refined towards rules and scoring.

Pride was able to create something of a real fight a lot of the time, maybe it was rules, maybe atmosphere and the fighters.. With the UFC it's completely up to the guys in the ring to provide us with a fight.. The rules promote Gay Guida tactics. Long sweaty greezy hair on dudes that don't shower, and like to glam rock gnp with their hair back and forth.

Imagine how an Aldo vs. Pettis fight would go off in Pride? Fuuuu.. The more I remember it, the more inadequate the UFC is.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Pride made itself bankrupt trying to make a show like the movie blood sport. The UFC is a promotion that considers revenue. Pride was an amazing fantasy. It was never going to last. But we've got the memories.

[Muchmoore]

Allowing knees to grounded opponents would be a huge step up for the ufc. Stomps or kicks maybe not be wise of the supposed brutality but knees should absolutely be legal

It would help out American wrestlers immensely as well who they cater to.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by MaliSlamusrex

Pride made itself bankrupt trying to make a show like the movie blood sport. The UFC is a promotion that considers revenue. Pride was an amazing fantasy. It was never going to last. But we've got the memories.

Bankrupt? PRIDE went out of business because the Yakuza scandal went national. It had nothing to do with Bankruptcy. Prior to that PRIDE was holding successful shows abroad namely in Vegas. If the organisation was struggling financially why would they have wasted their time to go to the US.
I just don't understand half the crap that comes up in these cruddy PRIDE UFC debates. Its as though half these minions only started watching MMA yesterday.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

Allowing knees to grounded opponents would be a huge step up for the ufc. Stomps or kicks maybe not be wise of the supposed brutality but knees should absolutely be legal

It would help out American wrestlers immensely as well who they cater to.

Isn't going to happen. The UFC nearly went out of business in the early days because of their rule set. John McCain led a campaign to get them banned nationally. Zuffa then watered down the 'no hold bars' rules to make it more palatable.
Personally i'm all for the PRIDE rules. But it won't work in the West. The West isn't ready for that level of violence yet. The irony...

[MaliSlamusrex]

the Pride salaries were insane. Not only were they insane they hired like 40 fighters for one show. The organizers of Pride didn't care about profit. It was yakuza backed and it was to see if Osaka could pay more than Tokyo.

Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Bankrupt? PRIDE went out of business because the Yakuza scandal went national. It had nothing to do with Bankruptcy. Prior to that PRIDE was holding successful shows abroad namely in Vegas. If the organisation was struggling financially why would they have wasted their time to go to the US.
I just don't understand half the crap that comes up in these cruddy PRIDE UFC debates. Its as though half these minions only started watching MMA yesterday.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by MaliSlamusrex

the Pride salaries were insane. Not only were they insane they hired like 40 fighters for one show. The organizers of Pride didn't care about profit. It was yakuza backed and it was to see if Osaka could pay more than Tokyo.

Thats complete nonsense. Apart from Fedor, PRIDE fighters compared to the UFC earned peanuts. Granted PRIDE never disclosed the salarys but $100 was the average salary for a GP Champion! Which in the early days was still more money than the UFC prior to Zuffa was offering.
Rampage for example earned more money in the UFC despite making a name for himself in PRIDE.
As for all this nonsense about the Yakuza influence the last i looked Zuffa is run and is STILL run by a family who has links to the Mob. Mafia Vegas blood money and a Mafia family is what keeps the UFC afloat. I don't hear fans complaining about the Ferrita's being in control.

[MaliSlamusrex]

I met Rampage in Tokyo and he told me how much he made in Pride. It was a lot, more than $300k now. Then again we met in a club and he could be talking complete BS but he said a number that I was surprised by.

I didn't care how Pride makes fights and I don't care how the UFC make fights. I'm just glad they get the cash from somewhere.

Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Thats complete nonsense. Apart from Fedor, PRIDE fighters compared to the UFC earned peanuts. Granted PRIDE never disclosed the salarys but $100k for a GP winner. Which in the early days was still more money than the UFC prior to Zuffa was offering.
Rampage for example earned more money in the UFC despite making a name for himself in PRIDE.
As for all this nonsense about the Yakuza influence the last i looked Zuffa is run and is STILL run by a family who has links to the Mob. Mafia Vegas blood money and a Mafia family is what keeps the UFC afloat. I don't hear fans complaining about the Ferrita's being in control.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by MaliSlamusrex

I met Rampage in Tokyo and he told me how much he made in Pride. It was a lot, more than $300k now. Then again we met in a club and he could be talking complete BS but he said a number that I was surprised by.

I didn't care how Pride makes fights and I don't care how the UFC make fights. I'm just glad they get the cash from somewhere.

Yeah iv met Rampage too......... He normally tells complete strangers how much his just been paid for a show.... 20 fights on a show? It would take two days to watch that... Exaggerating much? Yup methinks...

[sugarngold]

Originally Posted by Koa

If there's a benchmark the UFC should be held to, it should be Pride.

I think a good realization has come up..

All the criticisms, that made the UFC supposedly better than Pride, the UFC is now dirty of as well, what with the filler fights, mob involvement, fixed and freakshow fights..

They are all happening in the UFC currently, where we couldn't comfortably say so two or three years ago.

Rampage brought it up before he left the UFC. He was trying to bring back the guy who fought, because he loved to fight, a guy who wanted to show the world he was somebody, and he was great, win or lose.

Just a different time now.. I think in part it's different because MMA skillwise is more refined towards rules and scoring.

Pride was able to create something of a real fight a lot of the time, maybe it was rules, maybe atmosphere and the fighters.. With the UFC it's completely up to the guys in the ring to provide us with a fight.. The rules promote Gay Guida tactics. Long sweaty greezy hair on dudes that don't shower, and like to glam rock gnp with their hair back and forth.

Imagine how an Aldo vs. Pettis fight would go off in Pride? Fuuuu.. The more I remember it, the more inadequate the UFC is.

Have fun living in 2004, breh.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by sugarngold

Have fun living in 2004, breh.

Still sucking firmly from that UFC teet aye Sugar...

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

Allowing knees to grounded opponents would be a huge step up for the ufc. Stomps or kicks maybe not be wise of the supposed brutality but knees should absolutely be legal

It would help out American wrestlers immensely as well who they cater to.

Yeah, knees to grounded opponents would be a good thing....elbows too, I never get the logic in PRIDE rules, no elbows but they allowed knees to grounded opponents ?
I´m sure they had an explanation for this, but I think both should be allowed.....

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Yeah, knees to grounded opponents would be a good thing....elbows too, I never get the logic in PRIDE rules, no elbows but they allowed knees to grounded opponents ?
I´m sure they had an explanation for this, but I think both should be allowed.....

It was to prevent fights ending early on cuts...Thats why the GnP was so vicious. PRIDE was all about the effort to finish a fight which was rewarded more than the wall and stall, lay and pray tactics of the UFC.