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Old 02-13-2008, 01:40 AM   #1
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:58 AM   #2
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Toney is tricky and durable but does not have anything in his arsenal that will unduly dissuade Norton from executing his fight plan.

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Old 02-13-2008, 02:03 AM   #3
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Shoutout decision for Toney.

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Old 02-13-2008, 02:09 AM   #4
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Shoutout decision for Toney.
Your admiration for the great Kenny is showing again, Senya !
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:15 AM   #5
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Norton wasn't mobile enough to stay away from Toney, didn't have enough offense to keep him away, and wasn't clever or tricky enough to cause an excellent counter-puncher like Toney much problems. Norton will be nailed time after time with clean flush punches, and won't be able to land much on his own, even with a jab (which was very predictable, and not fast or hard enough).
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Norton wasn't mobile enough to stay away from Toney, didn't have enough offense to keep him away, and wasn't clever or tricky enough to cause an excellent counter-puncher like Toney much problems. Norton will be nailed time after time with clean flush punches, and won't be able to land much on his own, even with a jab (which was very predictable, and not fast or hard enough).

Norton arguably won all three Ali fights and gave a young, hungry Larry Holmes all he could handle. But he would have been shut out by a blown-up middleweight? Am I missing something here? Senya's typical convoluted 'logic' at work here I presume. Toney did not have the kind of power that would give Norton reason for pause either. If Ali couldn't convincingly outbox Norton then Mr. RolyPoly sure as heck won't either.
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:51 AM   #7
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Norton arguably won all three Ali fights and gave a young, hungry Larry Holmes all he could handle. But he would have been shut out by a blown-up middleweight? Am I missing something here? Senya's typical convoluted 'logic' at work here I presume. Toney did not have the kind of power that would give Norton reason for pause either. If Ali couldn't convincingly outbox Norton then Mr. RolyPoly sure as heck won't either.

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Ali and Holmes have a completely different style from Toney. This is styles matchup, not comparison of who beat whom or gave whom troubles. Toney will outbox one-dimensional and predictable Norton silly.
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Ali and Holmes have a completely different style from Toney. This is styles matchup, not comparison of who beat whom or gave whom troubles. Toney will outbox one-dimensional and predictable Norton silly.
Norton might even give Toney a run for his money today. He owns a few Gold's Gyms in southern california and looks to be in great shape.
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Ali and Holmes have a completely different style from Toney. This is styles matchup, not comparison of who beat whom or gave whom troubles. Toney will outbox one-dimensional and predictable Norton silly.

If you say so.
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:17 AM   #11
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Anyone think Toney could knock Norton out, considering he did so to Holyfield?
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Not me.

Toney doesn't hit anywhere near hard enough to trouble Kenny, despite him stopping (a very old) Holyfield.

Kenny outworks him for the decision, but Toney will have his moments.
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Old 02-13-2008, 04:38 AM   #13
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Anyone think Toney could knock Norton out, considering he did so to Holyfield?
Actually there's much more chance of Norton knocking Toney out IMO. Norton is only worried by the biggest of punchers, something Toney isn't.

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Ali and Holmes have a completely different style from Toney. This is styles matchup, not comparison of who beat whom or gave whom troubles. Toney will outbox one-dimensional and predictable Norton silly.
Remind me again of the fantastic performances Toney put forth at Heavyweight for one to consider him a shutout winner over Norton?

A shutout

I appreciate Toney's efforts at Heavyweight, especially considering where he came from, but to pick him via shutout over a fighter as good as Norton at this weight is ridiculous.
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Old 02-13-2008, 05:25 AM   #15
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A fighter as good as Norton? Norton is an overated jorneyman who got a title by joke, and is one of the biggest disgraces for IBHoF.
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