Saul Canelo need to implement the bob and weave asap. He's still young enough.

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:08 AM

A lot of respected posters on here think Saul Canelo can pull off the bob and weave. He is 5'8 but stocky and build just like Tyson. He got a thick neck and will not be able to make 154 much longer.
He will run into major problems at 160 and 168 because he's only 5'8 and everyone there is 6 feet+. But he is only 22 and can still change his style to the bob and weave tactic. Mike Tyson was a 5'10 heavyweight and he knocked out guys 6'3-6'6. Against Berbick he was so low to the ground his lips touched the ground and he made Berbick look stupid.

MVC · 03-04-2013, 03:10 AM

Yeah everyone needs to fight like Tyson!!!

So then once someone like Lewis comes along, he can be the best boxer on the planet!!

Lewis KO8 Tyson.

Deal with it.

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MVC

Yeah everyone needs to fight like Tyson!!!

So then once someone like Lewis comes along, he can be the best boxer on the planet!!

Lewis KO8 Tyson.

Deal with it.

If Lennox Lewis had fought like Tyson he would not have been knocked out against Rahman. Lewis's style is not effective.

Zopilote · 03-04-2013, 03:11 AM

Not just Canelo, but more fighters need to implement that style.

Such a lost art nowadays.

HitBattousai · 03-04-2013, 03:12 AM

While it's not impossible, I don't see Canelo having the kind of adaptability to do that style well, and even if he could, it would help him defensively but probably hurt him offensively and he's not a very fast fighter a la Tyson at HW.

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MVC

Yeah everyone needs to fight like Tyson!!!

So then once someone like Lewis comes along, he can be the best boxer on the planet!!

Lewis KO8 Tyson.

Deal with it.

But do you think Lewis could have been even greater if he implemented a bob and weave tactic against guys bigger than he was (like Vitali and Valvuev)

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HitBattousai

While it's not impossible, I don't see Canelo having the kind of adaptability to do that style well, and even if he could, it would help him defensively but probably hurt him offensively and he's not a very fast fighter a la Tyson at HW.

How come Tyson could do it but you don't think Canelo can? Is it because Canelo is not as fast?

MVC · 03-04-2013, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BobNWeave

If Lennox Lewis had fought like Tyson he would not have been knocked out against Rahman. Lewis's style is not effective.

Effective enough to knock Tyson the fuck out.

And become the best hw since Ali.

MVC · 03-04-2013, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BobNWeave

But do you think Lewis could have been even greater if he implemented a bob and weave tactic against guys bigger than he was (like Vitali and Valvuev)

Nope because he already TKO6'd Vitali.

beat him fair and square.

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MVC

Effective enough to knock Tyson the fuck out.

And become the best hw since Ali.

Ok but what do you think will happen if Lewis had fought the Tyson who fought Spinks or Berbick? Did you watch the Spinks and Berbick fight? Tyson was so low to the ground he made them look stupid? Guys like Lewis and Wladimir are even taller and Tyson can go low to the ground and they will miss jabs all night?

HitBattousai · 03-04-2013, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BobNWeave

How come Tyson could do it but you don't think Canelo can? Is it because Canelo is not as fast?

He's not as fast and he's just a much more robotic fighter than Tyson. He also has less athleticism all around than Tyson did and Tyson started learning the style when he was in high school and didn't master it until well into his pro days. It's a tough ask for Canelo to change his style so dramatically even at his young age for professional boxing.

MVC · 03-04-2013, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BobNWeave

Ok but what do you think will happen if Lewis had fought the Tyson who fought Spinks or Berbick? Did you watch the Spinks and Berbick fight? Tyson was so low to the ground he made them look stupid? Guys like Lewis and Wladimir are even taller and Tyson can go low to the ground and they will miss jabs all night?

I watched it. Tyson is definitely great and that style fit him perfectly.

Would not fit Lewis's. Lewis is a boxer/puncher.

Someone who uses his range to neutralize his opponent's attacks. He's not an in fighter, although his inside game is impressive too.

His uppercuts destroyed almost everyone.

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MVC

I watched it. Tyson is definitely great and that style fit him perfectly.

Would not fit Lewis's. Lewis is a boxer/puncher.

Someone who uses his range to neutralize his opponent's attacks. He's not an in fighter, although his inside game is impressive too.

His uppercuts destroyed almost everyone.

But do you agree that 5'8 Canelo could be successful using the bob and weave against middleweights?

BobNWeave · 03-04-2013, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HitBattousai

He's not as fast and he's just a much more robotic fighter than Tyson. He also has less athleticism all around than Tyson did and Tyson started learning the style when he was in high school and didn't master it until well into his pro days. It's a tough ask for Canelo to change his style so dramatically even at his young age for professional boxing.

How come Tyson was able to do this so well? Is it because of his athleticism? Or because he was trained by Cus Amato? I called Max Kellerman on his radio show and he said it's impossible for Canelo to do this style. Is that his opinion or is that fact?

MVC · 03-04-2013, 03:22 AM

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But do you agree that 5'8 Canelo could be successful using the bob and weave against middleweights?

Sure why the hell not. It's a great art which isn't used much nowadays.

Requires a hellacious amount of training and in-born reflxes/great punching power

Something I don't think Canelo possesses.

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BobNWeave Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 179 vCash: 500	Saul Canelo need to implement the bob and weave asap. He's still young enough. A lot of respected posters on here think Saul Canelo can pull off the bob and weave. He is 5'8 but stocky and build just like Tyson. He got a thick neck and will not be able to make 154 much longer. He will run into major problems at 160 and 168 because he's only 5'8 and everyone there is 6 feet+. But he is only 22 and can still change his style to the bob and weave tactic. Mike Tyson was a 5'10 heavyweight and he knocked out guys 6'3-6'6. Against Berbick he was so low to the ground his lips touched the ground and he made Berbick look stupid.
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HitBattousai Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 847 vCash: 1375	Re: Saul Canelo need to implement the bob and weave asap. He's still young enough. While it's not impossible, I don't see Canelo having the kind of adaptability to do that style well, and even if he could, it would help him defensively but probably hurt him offensively and he's not a very fast fighter a la Tyson at HW.
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