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Old 03-09-2013, 08:17 PM   #31
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i don't know the era well enough to say. but in restrospect i'd say he was best in the division but not THE champ. there was no THE champ. in such a weak time for the division, he should be expected to clean house
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:29 PM   #32
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i'm a bit high so i'm not clear i mean to say, i don't know if there was necessarily a linear or recognized champ at that time. until the don king tourney, i don't think anyone could call themselves true middleweight champion
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:30 PM   #33
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You simply can't be regarded as the fighter with the best longevity when you've only had 60 odd fights.

He has kept a high standard over a very long time though, which is super rare.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:40 PM   #34
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i'm a bit high so i'm not clear i mean to say, i don't know if there was necessarily a linear or recognized champ at that time. until the don king tourney, i don't think anyone could call themselves true middleweight champion
I'm drunk it's all good
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:42 PM   #35
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:52 PM   #36
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He's the greatest old fighter in boxing history.

Never has a damn near 50 year old man been at the very top of his division before. He's a phenomenom. Probably once in a lifetime, if not the last of his kind we will ever see, ever. I can't imagine boxing at 48. It'd be a shit show.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:00 AM   #37
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He just broke his own record by winning another title against Cloud
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:00 AM   #38
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So close to Moore.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:18 AM   #39
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Dinosaur-huggers will never admit it, but Moore has officially been surpassed as the greatest "old guy" in history. No one has ever been so relevant this deep into their forties before.
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Dinosaur-huggers will never admit it, but Moore has officially been surpassed as the greatest "old guy" in history. No one has ever been so relevant this deep into their forties before.
Yup.

Its not close to me at this point. Hopkins is older, slower, more faded, and still beating top 10 fighters.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:22 AM   #41
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It was great to watch him do it again. But, let's remember a Glen Johnson in his forties with a big, soft belly nearly beat Cloud, not to mention Campillo. So, it's not like he just dethroned the recognised champion, which he didn't, or even the type of undefeated fighter that had any sort of upward momentum. This is exactly the type of ring IQ dummy Hopkins loves because they're easily exploited by crafty vet shit. I happened to think Hops was done after the injury and Dawson but he looked like the old Hops of old and that would always be enough for a Cloud who is easily befuddled. Hell, if it weren't for Mack's chin he may have beaten Cloud too. I'm just throwing this out there because people are going to go overboard like they did after Pascal, another ring IQ dummy. Not to rain on any gay parades, of course. Moore had to fight guys like Marciano and Patterson in his forties. His longevity might be longer and gevitier if he got Pascal and Cloud instead. Great win though, of course.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:23 AM   #42
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Hopkins gave Cloud a schooling that Jimmy Young would be proud of.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:23 AM   #43
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This is very true BE, still impressed anyway.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:25 AM   #44
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Boxed Ears I will gut you like a pig, I swear to God...


Heap praise upon him now.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:26 AM   #45
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I have been watching boxing for over 50 years and Bernard hopkins defies the ravages of old age...He outthought, out boxed Cloud tonight in an amazing exhibition of ring science
and contempt for the number 48 years , a number associated with a rocking chair...
What boxer ever at 48 years had so much, movement and dexterity ? None that I know
of...
One other obvservation...Todays top lightheavyweights, would be cannon fodder to most of the great lightheavyweights of the recent past. Against the Bob Fosters, Mathew Sadds, Michael Spinks, Ezzard Charles, Mongoose Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, Harold Johnson, Lloyd Marshall ,wonderful Billy Conn etc...So I believe that good as Bernard Hopkins is at 175 lbs, he would have retired long before the age of 48...
And the best Bernard Hopkins would have been soundly whipped, by the best Archie Moore at 175 lbs...Still kudos for Bernard Hopkins...
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