Best fighter to never win a title.........by division.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by mattdonnellon

Mempis Pal Moore at Bantam?
Or Gilroy, or maybe the Jap, Takao Sakurai.
Tough one though but I like Janitors picks with maybe McPartland.

Oh. Okay.

[turbotime]

Oba Carr at welterweight
Burley at MW yeah?

[Theron]

Originally Posted by TBooze

Very tough not least because so many gained titles and recognitions that others do not agree with...

Heavyweight: Jerry Quarry

Light Heavyweight: Chris Finnegan

Middleweight: Herol Graham

Welterweight: Colin Jones

Lightweight: Jack Blackburn

Featherweight: Pat Cowdell

Bantamweight: Johnny Brown, although Al Francis' (rightly) may debate that.

Flyweight: Dai Dower

This is a starting point, already it is clear Blackburn was better than Diaz, and he won no 'title'.

Quarry above Langford?

[Theron]

Originally Posted by turbotime

Oba Carr at welterweight
Burley at MW yeah?

Completely agree with Burley at Middle

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by Theron

Completely agree with Burley at Middle

Its not disputable IMO


Great avi

[McGrain]

Holman Williams beat better guys than Burley in the same era, for me.

[turbotime]

Burley son'd Williams. the bad KO W does it for me. No one wanted to fight Burley really.

[McGrain]

HW - Harry Wills
LHW - Jimmy Bivins
MW - Holman Williams
WW - Charley Burley
LW - Packey McFarland
FW - Jim Driscoll
BW - Frankie Burns
FLY- Newsboy Brown has a title claim that was recognised so i'd leave him out. Haven't seen a better name than Dai Dower yet.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by turbotime

Burley son'd Williams.

Tied series. I think Burley got the better of it, but I don't think you can paint a picture of any kind of dominance.

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Tied series. I think Burley got the better of it, but I don't think you can paint a picture of any kind of dominance.

edited McG.


Regardless, nice list of guys. How about LW?


Say Willie Joyce

[scartissue]

Fly - Halimi Gutierrez
Bantam - Jesus Pimental/Joe Medel
Feather - Owen Moran
Jr. Light - Tyrone Everett
Light - Billy Petrolle/Freddie Dawson
Jr. Welter - Kenny Lane/Hector Thompson
Welter -Holman Williams
Jr. Middle - Tony Ayala
Middle - Charley Burley
Lt. Heavy - Jimmy Bivins
Heavy - Zora Folley

I threw a few out there just to be different. Also, no champs from another division, so no Ezz Charles at 175 or Jeff Fenech at 130. BTW, there are no wrong answers on this one, so lets have some fun.

[Jorodz]

Originally Posted by McGrain

HW - Harry Wills
LHW - Jimmy Bivins
MW - Holman Williams
WW - Charley Burley
LW - Packey McFarland
FW - Jim Driscoll
BW - Frankie Burns
FLY- Newsboy Brown has a title claim that was recognised so i'd leave him out. Haven't seen a better name than Dai Dower yet.

like bivins but you feel wills ranks above langford?

also, any chance cocoa kid has more claim at WW?

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by Theron

Quarry above Langford?

As I said this is very hard, as everybody has different rules to what is a 'title'. Langford was a three division world title holder according to Canadian authorities and won numerous versions of what was known as 'coloured' titles.

My list does its best to rate only fighters who had no recogintion of any world title.

[turpinr]

burley at welter lloyd marshall and ezzard charles at either middlle or light heavy.billy petrolle at lightweight

[lufcrazy]

I'm not including anyone winning any full version of a world title. I'm gonna only try people I've seen as well.

HW: Tua
LHW: Bivins
MW: Graham
WW: McFarland
LW: McFarland
BW:
Flw:

Dunno bout the lower divisions.