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View Poll Results: Bernard Hopkins vs Marvin Hagler
Hagler by KO 2 9.52%
Hagler on points 12 57.14%
Hopkins by KO 0 0%
Hopkins on points 7 33.33%
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:31 PM   #106
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Jones or Hopkins comes down to if you prefer raw talent, or gritted accomplishment.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:59 PM   #107
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Jones or Hopkins comes down to if you prefer raw talent, or gritted accomplishment.
well put for me, raw talent is FAR in jones favour and hopkins only has a slight edge in accomplishment
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:40 PM   #108
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Whether it is down mostly to raw talent or learned skill really shouldn't matter. If one guy's better, then he's better, and that's that. Roy was better than Hopkins, definitely. Roys resume is certainly on the same level. Roy was even more dominant than Hopkins during his prime run. All B-Hop really has over him is longevity, and freaky as it may be, I don't think that's enough to overcome everything else (and you should all know how badly I wish that it was enough).
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:42 PM   #109
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Whether it is down mostly to raw talent or learned skill really shouldn't matter. If one guy's better, then he's better, and that's that. Roy was better than Hopkins, definitely. Roys resume is certainly on the same level. Roy was even more dominant than Hopkins during his prime run. All B-Hop really has is longevity, and freaky as it may be, I don't think that's enough to overcome everything else (and you should all know how badly I wish that it was enough).
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:46 PM   #110
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He's still got time though, Jorodz. The gap is shrinking. He's still got time...
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:51 PM   #111
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Whether it is down mostly to raw talent or learned skill really shouldn't matter. If one guy's better, then he's better, and that's that. Roy was better than Hopkins, definitely. Roys resume is certainly on the same level. Roy was even more dominant than Hopkins during his prime run. All B-Hop really has over him is longevity, and freaky as it may be, I don't think that's enough to overcome everything else (and you should all know how badly I wish that it was enough).
Nothing to add to this.

And when they met at prime ages, Roy owned him.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:18 PM   #112
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So, I do feel that Hagler would walk him down with Pressure and cut the ring off as well.


One glaring problem with this theory: Hagler was shit at cutting the ring off.


Very much the Ben Tackie of his era in that regard.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:20 PM   #113
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Now, I'm going to need to see him beat Tavoris cloud in a rematch before I go picking Hopkins.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:22 PM   #114
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Whether it is down mostly to raw talent or learned skill really shouldn't matter. If one guy's better, then he's better, and that's that. Roy was better than Hopkins, definitely. Roys resume is certainly on the same level. Roy was even more dominant than Hopkins during his prime run. All B-Hop really has over him is longevity, and freaky as it may be, I don't think that's enough to overcome everything else (and you should all know how badly I wish that it was enough).
Roy Jones was better than Hopkins in his prime, but not by much.
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Hopkins, always had the technique and basic fundementals in his style for a long career. Jones always relied on speed and reflexes. Once they evaporated he was in trouble. Hence, why Jones has been badly knocked out a few times and hasn't beaten the top level opponents that Hopkins has in his 40's.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:51 PM   #116
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Jones would have been more ruthless and spectacular in his prime if McClellan never ended up blind and 80% deaf. He openly admitted that the McClellan tragedy deeply effected him.

Jones had so much speed and power at super-middleweight and light-heavyweight it was crazy what he could have done to a few opponents had he wanted to. I always got the idea that Jones liked to put on a show, rather than be very bad.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:33 AM   #117
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Hopkins, always had the technique and basic fundementals in his style for a long career. Jones always relied on speed and reflexes. Once they evaporated he was in trouble. Hence, why Jones has been badly knocked out a few times and hasn't beaten the top level opponents that Hopkins has in his 40's.
I have to disagree and say that RJJ's footwork, balance, knowledge of ring generalship, counter-punching mechanics, punching form, parrying ability, directionality of head movement, were all fundamentally sound. It was only his guard that was unconventional, and he used it to his advantage by feinting and baiting. The problem was that the disappearance of his athletic gifts were far too sudden, not gradual. The way he nearly out-pointed Ledbedev on points with not much more athleticism than some leftover speed speaks to his boxing skill.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:09 AM   #118
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One glaring problem with this theory: Hagler was shit at cutting the ring off.


Very much the Ben Tackie of his era in that regard.


Get your hand off it.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:28 AM   #119
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Jones or Hopkins comes down to if you prefer raw talent, or gritted accomplishment.
Good point ...
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:33 AM   #120
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Whether it is down mostly to raw talent or learned skill really shouldn't matter. If one guy's better, then he's better, and that's that. Roy was better than Hopkins, definitely. Roys resume is certainly on the same level. Roy was even more dominant than Hopkins during his prime run. All B-Hop really has over him is longevity, and freaky as it may be, I don't think that's enough to overcome everything else (and you should all know how badly I wish that it was enough).
You touched on something by mentioning RJJ`s dominance... While he was in his prime, nobody came close. He didn`t lose rounds, much less fights. Only Montell gave him some issues and look what he did next timne out. And RJJ unfortunately beats BHop everytime out, prime RJJ that is. Hopkins incredible longevity however has tightened the race...
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