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Old 12-05-2014, 01:31 PM   #1
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Default Rid**** Bowe inducted to the HOF

Let's discuss it on classic.
First of all, Rid**** Bowe was far better fighter than Barry McGuigan or Arthuro Gatti.

Bowe's claim to fame is an undisputed HW championship and 2 wins over ATG Holyfield.

Overall Bowe has 2 wins over lineal HW champ (Holy), and 5 wins over former or future ABC beltholders (Thomas, Tubbs, Seldon, Dokes, Hide).

Other notable wins - Bert Cooper, Pierre Coetzer, Jessy Ferguson, Larry Donald, JL Gonzalez.

I don't count his wins over Golota as Bowe was behind on both fights.

His resume is clearly weaker than Holyfield's or Lewis'.

But he is NOT Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman type fighter, Bowe was far better,

Bowe and McCall common opponents:
Lionel Butler - Bowe TKO2, McCall SD10
Jesse Ferguson - Bowe KO2, McCall W10 (controversial win)
Bruce Seldon - Bowe KO1, McCall KO9 (while behind on cards)

Bowe and Rahman common opponents:
Jesse Ferguson - Bowe KO2, Rahman W12 (against 42 y.o. Ferguson)
Evander Holyfield - Bowe W12, L12, WTKO8, Rahman - LTD8(against 40 y.o. Holyfield)

Overall Bowe should not be ranked as high as ATG HW's of his era - Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis - based on relatively weak resume and short prime, but he should be ranked higher and is in fact far better than both McCall and Rahman.

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Old 12-05-2014, 02:26 PM   #2
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I agree, his resume is poor, but not that poor that guys like Rahman or Mcall should be mentioned alongside him.
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He deserves to be in.
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He deserves to be in.
moreso than Hamed?
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moreso than Hamed?
Possibly.
They both deserve.
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Possibly.
They both deserve.
your one of the few guys who believes Hamed deserves hof
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your one of the few guys who believes Hamed deserves hof
I don't see why not.
He was pretty much regarded as the #1 at featherweight for four years, he had a decent run.
One of the hardest pound-for-pound punchers.
Had some exciting fights. And was a showman.
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:15 PM   #8
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I don't see why not.
He was pretty much regarded as the #1 at featherweight for four years, he had a decent run.
One of the hardest pound-for-pound punchers.
Had some exciting fights. And was a showman.
no i agree, im not saying Hamed doesn't deserve it of course he does. Its just rare to hear genuine praise for the guy.
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I don't see why not.
He was pretty much regarded as the #1 at featherweight for four years, he had a decent run.
One of the hardest pound-for-pound punchers.
Had some exciting fights. And was a showman.
Agreed. If Gatti, McGigan and Cuevas are in the HOF then he deserves the place for sure
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:40 PM   #10
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At his peak, Rid**** Bowe was a terrific fighter, but he had only a few years at best as a top fighter. As a result, I would be reluctant to select him to be inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

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Old 12-05-2014, 03:57 PM   #11
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Thin resume and a meaningful championship reign of one year. Hall of Fame material? Not for me.
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Old 12-05-2014, 04:22 PM   #12
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Here’s the Modern Ballot with the list of all the names we received through the mail. I also had ballots that I had to fill out for all the other categories as well.

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Please check the candidates of your choice. You may vote up to 5 boxers. You are not required to vote for 5, but you may not vote for more than 5. Ballots must be submitted by mail or fax by October 31, 2014. Three (3) will be elected.

Paulie Ayala
Nigel Benn
Rid**** Bowe
Donald Curry
Chris Eubank
Leo Gamez
Naseem Hamed
Genaro Hernandez
Julian Jackson
Santos Laciar
Rocky Lockridge
Miguel (Happy) Lora
James (Buddy) McGirt
Ray Mancini
Henry Maske
Dariusz Michalczewski
Sung-Kil Moon
Michael Moorer
Orzubek (Gussie) Nazarov
Sven Ottke
Vinny Pazienza
Lupe Pintor
Gilberto Roman
Gianfranco Rosi
Samuel Serrano
Meldrick Taylor
Fernando Vargas
Wilfredo Vazquez
Ratanapol Sor Vorapin
Hilario Zapata

What 5 would you vote for?
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HOF hardly matters - it's all just good fun. People shouldn't get uptight about who they do and don't put in, it's meaningless.
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HOF hardly matters - it's all just good fun. People shouldn't get uptight about who they do and don't put in, it's meaningless.
I have to respectfully disagree! Most boxing people that I know are honored to get in, as it means a lot to them!
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I have to respectfully disagree! Most boxing people that I know are honored to get in. It means a lot to them!
Yeah, meaningless was a terrible choice of word. It looks like great fun, and personally I love the pictures and stuff myself. Boxing people are known to absolutely love it.

But every year there are these arguments, and about what? There's no rhyme or reason to it, this one gets in, that one doesn't, it's meaningless to argue would maybe be a better thing to say. Because it goes brutally wrong most years. Maybe it hasn't this year though.

Also - i know a couple of guys who have a vote and they're quite up front about knowing nothing at all about boxing history. They've written a book, or have a connection in, BWA or whatever and now they're voting. But they don't know who the people they're voting/not voting for are.

These two facts leave me very relaxed about the HOF. I don't expect it to go right, it usually doesn't, and as you quite rightly point out, it looks like a hoot.
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