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Old 11-21-2014, 09:13 PM   #1
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Default My list of top 10 ATG Heavyweight Champions:

John L Sullivan

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

Joe Louis

Rocky Marciano

Muhammad Ali

George Foreman

Larry Holmes

Lennox lewis

Vitali K.


My focus was on 10 who dominated their perspective era.
This list is chronological, from the bare knuckle era to the present.

A case can be made for the following: Jim Jeffries, Gene Tunney, Evander Holyfield, Bob Fitzsimmons, Vladamir k.

My outside shots due to popularity, great victories , or never getting a shot at the title include: Mike Tyson,
Joe Frazier, Sam Langford

thoughts, opinions?

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Old 11-21-2014, 10:09 PM   #2
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John L Sullivan

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

Joe Louis

Rocky Marciano

Muhammad Ali

George Foreman

Larry Holmes

Lennox lewis

Vitali K.


My focus was on 10 who dominated their perspective era.
This list is chronological, from the bare knuckle era to the present.

A case can be made for the following: Jim Jeffries, Gene Tunney, Evander Holyfield, Bob Fitzsimmons, Vladamir k.

My outside shots due to popularity, great victories , or never getting a shot at the title include: Mike Tyson,
Joe Frazier, Sam Langford

thoughts, opinions?
I don't know "Rafi". Holmes and vitali weren't undisputed heavyw.
champions.
Foreman's reign was very short.
Lewis won only one undisputed heavyw. title fight.
First 3: Maybe 1. Clay/Ali 2. Marciano 3 Joe
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:39 PM   #3
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Default Re: My list of top 10 ATG Heavyweight Champions:

At certain times, it was harder to collect the three major belts than it was get the one belt that meant the championship. The fighter has to chase up to three holders and make often tedious negotiations to secure the bout given all the financial gain from being a belt holder. Thus, I don't always give the unified status instant precedence over someone who held just one or two belts.

All that said, only a few of these folks can legitimately be said to have cleaned out the division. Mike Tyson would be one of these few. He also reigned as best heavyweight in the world for as long as Marciano did, longer than Foremand did and crammed a lot fights in during that time. And anyone who would argue that Dempsey belongs on this list while Tyson does not, given that Dempsey's reign was largely contrivance (3 year lay-off and ducking his two best challengers), is just a nostalgic nut bag. Tyson is on the short list of great HW champs without a doubt.
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Old 11-23-2014, 11:46 AM   #4
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Default Re: My list of top 10 ATG Heavyweight Champions:

1- Muhammad Ali
2- Joe Louis
3- Jack Dempsey
4- Jack Johnson
5- Gene Tunney
6- Sam Langford
7- Rocky Marciano
8- Ezzard Charles
9- George Foreman
10- Joe Frazier
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:07 PM   #5
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John L Sullivan

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

Joe Louis

Rocky Marciano

Muhammad Ali

George Foreman

Larry Holmes

Lennox lewis

Vitali K.


My focus was on 10 who dominated their perspective era.
This list is chronological, from the bare knuckle era to the present.

A case can be made for the following: Jim Jeffries, Gene Tunney, Evander Holyfield, Bob Fitzsimmons, Vladamir k.

My outside shots due to popularity, great victories , or never getting a shot at the title include: Mike Tyson,
Joe Frazier, Sam Langford

thoughts, opinions?
1) Louis
2) Ali
3) Marciano
4) Lewis
5) Johnson
6) Dempsey
7) Holmes
Foreman
9) Wlad
10) Tyson
11) Frazier
12) Holyfield
13) Liston
14) Tunney
15) Vitali
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:12 PM   #6
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At certain times, it was harder to collect the three major belts than it was get the one belt that meant the championship. The fighter has to chase up to three holders and make often tedious negotiations to secure the bout given all the financial gain from being a belt holder. Thus, I don't always give the unified status instant precedence over someone who held just one or two belts.

All that said, only a few of these folks can legitimately be said to have cleaned out the division. Mike Tyson would be one of these few. He also reigned as best heavyweight in the world for as long as Marciano did, longer than Foremand did and crammed a lot fights in during that time. And anyone who would argue that Dempsey belongs on this list while Tyson does not, given that Dempsey's reign was largely contrivance (3 year lay-off and ducking his two best challengers), is just a nostalgic nut bag. Tyson is on the short list of great HW champs without a doubt.
I just wonder if Tyson could beat a thick, 240-pound Dempsey. I have my doubts. Any time anyone ever stood up to Tyson, they bullied him-bullied the bully, you might say. Dempsey at a solid, thick, strong 240 would have a very devastating hook. Does Tyson want to hook with a hooker who would be bigger than him with modern training and nutrition? I have my doubts. I'm not saying Tyson isn't good for his era but I have my doubts. That's all I am saying. Tyson never beat a prime ATG in their prime.
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:19 PM   #7
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I just wonder if Tyson could beat a thick, 240-pound Dempsey. I have my doubts. Any time anyone ever stood up to Tyson, they bullied him-bullied the bully, you might say. Dempsey at a solid, thick, strong 240 would have a very devastating hook. Does Tyson want to hook with a hooker who would be bigger than him with modern training and nutrition? I have my doubts. I'm not saying Tyson isn't good for his era but I have my doubts. That's all I am saying. Tyson never beat a prime ATG in their prime.
I doubt Dempsey could carry 240lbs and be effective. Even with modern training and nutrition he'd be more like 210lbs in my opinion. He'd be sluggish and probably fat at 240!
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:21 PM   #8
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I doubt Dempsey could carry 240lbs and be effective. Even with modern training and nutrition he'd be more like 210lbs in my opinion. He'd be sluggish and probably fat at 240!
Yeah, he'd be a modern heavyweight. That's all I said.
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Default Re: My list of top 10 ATG Heavyweight Champions:

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John L Sullivan

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

Joe Louis

Rocky Marciano

Muhammad Ali

George Foreman

Larry Holmes

Lennox lewis

Vitali K.


My focus was on 10 who dominated their perspective era.
This list is chronological, from the bare knuckle era to the present.

A case can be made for the following: Jim Jeffries, Gene Tunney, Evander Holyfield, Bob Fitzsimmons, Vladamir k.

My outside shots due to popularity, great victories , or never getting a shot at the title include: Mike Tyson,
Joe Frazier, Sam Langford

thoughts, opinions?

interesting and valid based on your criteria
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:59 PM   #10
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Default Re: My list of top 10 ATG Heavyweight Champions:

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John L Sullivan

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

Joe Louis

Rocky Marciano

Muhammad Ali

George Foreman

Larry Holmes

Lennox lewis

Vitali K.


My focus was on 10 who dominated their perspective era.
This list is chronological, from the bare knuckle era to the present.

A case can be made for the following: Jim Jeffries, Gene Tunney, Evander Holyfield, Bob Fitzsimmons, Vladamir k.

My outside shots due to popularity, great victories , or never getting a shot at the title include: Mike Tyson,
Joe Frazier, Sam Langford

thoughts, opinions?
Given your criteria, Wlad should be ranked in the top 10 if not in the top 5.

He arguably has dominated 2 decades (2000s, 2010s).
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Old 11-23-2014, 07:33 PM   #11
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I'm not saying Tyson isn't good for his era but I have my doubts. That's all I am saying. Tyson never beat a prime ATG in their prime.
Maybe but then how many top heavyweights of their own eras did? Did Dempsey ever beat a prime ATG in his prime? Did Marciano? Liston? Holmes? Lennox Lewis? both the Klitschkos?

It shouldn't be held against Tyson anymore than the others.
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Old 11-23-2014, 08:08 PM   #12
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1) Louis
2) Ali
3) Marciano
4) Lewis
5) Johnson
6) Dempsey
7) Holmes
Foreman
9) Wlad
10) Tyson
11) Frazier
12) Holyfield
13) Liston
14) Tunney
15) Vitali
One of the better lists I've seen.
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Old 11-24-2014, 03:38 AM   #13
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Maybe but then how many top heavyweights of their own eras did? Did Dempsey ever beat a prime ATG in his prime? Did Marciano? Liston? Holmes? Lennox Lewis? both the Klitschkos?

It shouldn't be held against Tyson anymore than the others.
He beat Tunney. Long count. Tunney beat Greb (making him an ATG). In today's social media revolutions, where not even Cosby can get away unscathed, no doubt Dempsey would've had an entire Twitter campaign recognising his legitimate win over Tunney who would've been a solid 225-pounder at the time, and the decision would've been overturned. A lot of things would've gone down like we know they should have with Twitter back in the day. Jack Johnson wouldn't have been able to draw the colour line. Can you imagine that? Langford would've been the 240's like Rahman. Things would've been different. I mean a prime Sam Langford.
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