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Old 03-13-2013, 12:49 PM   #1
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Default **** Tigerīs Prime..

When would you say Tiger was at his very best ? I think he is a guy interesting to discuss on this.....A bit inexperienced in the beginning, but even years later he had some odd losses to less known fighters...
Would you say he was in his prime days when he faced Fullmer ??
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:06 PM   #2
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59-68 by my reckoning
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:10 PM   #3
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How good were Rory Calhoun and Wilf Greaves then ? Both have wins over Prime Tiger...both close fights btw apparently accodring with boxrec.

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Old 03-13-2013, 02:13 PM   #4
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His loses are a matter of style. Much to his chagrin, Tiger could be beaten by boxers who "ran" from him. He could be out-boxed in this method. He also beat a lot of fighters with the technical skills to pull this plan off against him, so it wasn't a total vulnerability, but he had a pronounced stylistic weakness.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:26 PM   #5
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Yeah for instance I could imagine Jones Jr shutting him out providing he avoids the huge counter shots tiger has in his ****nal.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:58 PM   #6
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From '62 through '66. interesting that he bounced right back from losing to Griffith in '66..went up and ENTIRE division and beat a younger, flashier, faster, stronger (maybe) hotshot like Jose Torres...quite a fighter that Tiger.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:02 PM   #7
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Well he always struggled a bit with the weight, it took that iron discipline to keep him wedged into that division. Unfortunately, the relief moving up provided was limited by the fact that there was no 168lb division.
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He had his ups and downs but his run to the middleweight title to his light heavyweight title win is his prime IMO.

Henry Hank then the Fullmer trilogy. Says it all really, that is where he was at around that time. Beast.

And yes, McGrain is right, Tiger could look exceptionally plodding. Andre Dirrell would mug him in this fashion, and I barely rate that kid.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:03 PM   #9
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Well he always struggled a bit with the weight, it took that iron discipline to keep him wedged into that division. Unfortunately, the relief moving up provided was limited by the fact that there was no 168lb division.
Always. He was built for a super middleweight division with same day weigh in's.
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His loses are a matter of style. Much to his chagrin, Tiger could be beaten by boxers who "ran" from him. He could be out-boxed in this method. He also beat a lot of fighters with the technical skills to pull this plan off against him, so it wasn't a total vulnerability, but he had a pronounced stylistic weakness.
Absolutely..styles. as it was said by some witty boxing writer of his time...a good trombone player beats Tiger. An allusion to a steady jab and good footwork. That's how Giardello beat him in '63...ditto with Archer and Griffith. Torres wasn't a jab and move kind of guy and even earlier, Fullmer just wasn't polished enough with his hybrid, awkward "boxing" style. All this doesn't take into account at all a freak like Bob Foster and the way he beat Tiger.
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Always. He was built for a super middleweight division with same day weigh in's.
Tiger would have been an awesome supermiddle.
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Tiger would have been an awesome supermiddle.
As flea says, an awesome same day super middle. An awesome same day supper middle.
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Torres likely was as well, really. EDIT: Not necessarily awesome though.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:30 AM   #14
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Always. He was built for a super middleweight division with same day weigh in's.
So what do you think he walked around at!?
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:56 AM   #15
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59-68 by my reckoning
Tiger still looked a bit raw in the footage of him from the late 50s through 60 IMO. I think he started to come into his own in 61, beginning with his win over Spider Webb, and really hit his stride in 62 with his wins over Fernandez, Hank, and Fullmer.

Compare how he looked in his performances here...
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...to his rematches with the same opponents a couple years later.
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IMO, he appears to be getting much better power and placement on his punches in the rematches, whereas he relied more on sheer strength and pressure to wear down opponents in his earlier fights.

I would say Tiger's prime was from 61 until the Giardello rematch in 65.
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