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Old 03-16-2013, 01:18 PM   #31
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Default Re: Who else could have finished Willard like Dempsey ?

Holyfield would've killed him. Imagine Ibeabuchi or a Lewis/Louis . ****
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:30 PM   #32
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Default Re: Who else could have finished Willard like Dempsey ?

Max Baer would have done it though in a different way than Dempsey did. He would have beat Willard just like he beat Carnera which was just as savage as what Dempsey did to Willard
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:33 PM   #33
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But a 37yo Willard wouldn't be top 30 today over the last 50 years and there have been many big punchers who could KO a defensively poor slow opponent
This is the worst kind of personal agenda driven speculation.

Lets deal with some cold hard facts here:

Ruddock never stopped a world class heavyweight inside three rounds.

Sanders beat one world class fighter inside three rounds, but he only beat one world class fighter full stop.

Tua never stopped a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Bruno beat one world class fighter inside three rounds but usualy lost when he stepped up.

Morrison never beat a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Haye never beat a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Williams never beat a world class fighter full stop.

Lets get real here, you would never dare to pick any of these guys to replicate Dempsey's feat, if there was any prospect of your prediction being tested.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:04 PM   #34
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This is the worst kind of personal agenda driven speculation.

Lets deal with some cold hard facts here:

Ruddock never stopped a world class heavyweight inside three rounds.

Sanders beat one world class fighter inside three rounds, but he only beat one world class fighter full stop.

Tua never stopped a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Bruno beat one world class fighter inside three rounds but usualy lost when he stepped up.

Morrison never beat a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Haye never beat a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Williams never beat a world class fighter full stop.

Lets get real here, you would never dare to pick any of these guys to replicate Dempsey's feat, if there was any prospect of your prediction being tested.
What can be deduced from powerpunchers post is that what used to pass for world class in the HW division wouls not pass for such in the 80's and 90's. I tend to agree with him.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:07 PM   #35
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What can be deduced from powerpunchers post is that what used to pass for world class in the HW division wouls not pass for such in the 80's and 90's. I tend to agree with him.
Only people with a personal agenda would make predictions based on the assumption that a champion in one era would be outside the top 30 in another.

An objective observer would either reject the idea outright, or regard it as being so speculative that it was inherently the weak link in their argument.

Do you even know who the #30 heavyweight is today?
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:36 PM   #36
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#30 is probably Briggs
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:42 PM   #37
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#30 is probably Briggs
So presumably Vitally Klitschko destroyed him in very much the same way as Dempsey destroyed Willard?
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:42 PM   #38
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Only people with a personal agenda would make predictions based on the assumption that a champion in one era would be outside the top 30 in another.

An objective observer would either reject the idea outright, or regard it as being so speculative that it was inherently the weak link in their argument.

Do you even know who the #30 heavyweight is today?
Also, he was saying that the version of Willard that showed up to Toledo wouldn't be top 30, not the one who 4 years before soaked up all that Johnson and the Havana sun could give him.

Williard would be a poor man's Tyson Fury so he would probably crack the top 30.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:55 PM   #39
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Also, he was saying that the version of Willard that showed up to Toledo wouldn't be top 30, not the one who 4 years before soaked up all that Johnson and the Havana sun could give him.
I will grant you that Willard had slipped somewhat when he fought Dempsey, but he had been fighting exhibitions regularly for most of the period between the Moran fight and the Dempsey fight, including some ten round exhibitions.

Its not like he was an empty shell.

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Williard would be a poor man's Tyson Fury so he would probably crack the top 30.
Look at some of the fighters that have broken the top 10 since the year 2000, and the people that some of them beat to get there.

Are you telling me that some promotor with a bit of imagination could not do the same for Willard?
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:06 PM   #40
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Heavyweights who landed body shots. No reason to lunge and jump and reach and stretch for willards head. Dempsey went out destructive for a round. Then floundered as bad as willard for two more.

Total bollocks!
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:07 PM   #41
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Also, he was saying that the version of Willard that showed up to Toledo wouldn't be top 30, not the one who 4 years before soaked up all that Johnson and the Havana sun could give him.

Williard would be a poor man's Tyson Fury so he would probably crack the top 30.
Williard? You dont really believe this do you S?
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:10 PM   #42
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This is the worst kind of personal agenda driven speculation.

Lets deal with some cold hard facts here:

Ruddock never stopped a world class heavyweight inside three rounds.

Sanders beat one world class fighter inside three rounds, but he only beat one world class fighter full stop.

Tua never stopped a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Bruno beat one world class fighter inside three rounds but usualy lost when he stepped up.

Morrison never beat a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Haye never beat a world class fighter inside three rounds.

Williams never beat a world class fighter full stop.

Lets get real here, you would never dare to pick any of these guys to replicate Dempsey's feat, if there was any prospect of your prediction being tested.
Good post! Only guy I give a shot is Tyson.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:14 PM   #43
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There was some weird shit about Willard in that fight. The first time he had the opportunity to clinch he instead spread his impressive wingspan and looked at the referee for help. It seems that there was something said about clinching pre-fight, perhaps?

That's part of the reason why Dempsey killed Willard and I think that there are plenty of extremely good punchers who would have got Willard out of there earlier than Dempsey. That is my opinion.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:16 PM   #44
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If Willard was alowed to fight back, then Morrison might well get sparked.

I somtimes wonder if you even think before you post some of this nonsense.

I mean Willard might noit have been the greatest fighter that ever lived, but he was not somebody you could aford to take lightly either.

Willard was not fast but he had power. So did an old Foreman , Morrison with his shaky chin fought smart against an old George, if he comes into Jess he could be caught, and caught permanently. Right uppercut spells GOODNIGHT NURSE!
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:30 PM   #45
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Tyson, for sure. IMO
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