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Old 03-31-2013, 07:46 PM   #46
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Holy does have a very underrated jab Robbi...thats a fact
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:07 PM   #47
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For each bout, both fighters at their best and no serious mistakes:

Prime Ali (1967)

Nobody


Prime Tyson (1988/89)

Foreman
Liston
Ali
Maybe Louis
Maybe Marciano
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:22 PM   #48
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For each bout, both fighters at their best and no serious mistakes:

Prime Ali (1967)

Nobody


Prime Tyson (1988/89)

Foreman
Liston
Ali
Maybe Louis
Maybe Marciano
Good post!..
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:24 PM   #49
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I would be intrested to see prime Ali vs. prime Holmes.
Tyson before prison would have beaten Holyfield, and would have won a rematch with Douglas.
I think everyone would love to see Prime Ali vs Prime Holmes...but I still say Ali beats the **** outa him
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:30 PM   #50
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I think everyone would love to see Prime Ali vs Prime Holmes...but I still say Ali beats the **** outa him
I think Holmes' piston like jab would give a prime Ali serious problems. Ali's handsdown style doesn't bode well for what a Holmes jab brings to the table. Holmes had a better variety with both hands than a prime Ali.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:45 PM   #51
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I think Holmes' piston like jab would give a prime Ali serious problems. Ali's handsdown style doesn't bode well for what a Holmes jab brings to the table. Holmes had a better variety with both hands than a prime Ali.

Holmes jab was just as good as Listons..And ali found a away..He'd be able to keep Holmes off him without a doubt, and out speed hi bad
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:06 PM   #52
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I've heard that Cus always knew Holmes would be champion for a long time. Because of this, he specifically trained Tyson to beat Holmes from a very young age. If this is true, then I think Tyson beats any version of Holmes.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:06 PM   #53
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Holmes jab was just as good as Listons..And ali found a away..He'd be able to keep Holmes off him without a doubt, and out speed hi bad
It was better than Liston's. It was more of a free flowing jab than Liston's with a higher output. It was also much faster and would find the target more on a prime Ali.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:38 PM   #54
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It was better than Liston's. It was more of a free flowing jab than Liston's with a higher output. It was also much faster and would find the target more on a prime Ali.

Ali stills find a way to bust Larrys ass...
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The more I watch of Holy the more I'm convinced, he was a h2h beast.
H2H beast yet struggled mightily in his own era? Don't get me wrong, he'd be a helluva s**** for just about anyone, but H2H he's not even in my personal Top 10.
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Old 04-01-2013, 02:20 AM   #57
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I understand. Well, it's not the ones I think have the most chance, because Ali. More like I search for types that have a stylistic edge. Tyson does great against opponents backing up. I think fast starters with a huge punch have a fair shake in a shoot-out, hence Briggs and Cooper.
I understand the sentiment but that's too much of a lack of quality and Tyson is far too durable. He's not a guy that gets taken out by one shot. I'd wager there chances are ever so slightly better than Bruno's was, though. It's a minute percentage, but fair enough you explained yourself well.
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:34 AM   #58
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Ali

Joe Frazier
Rocky Marciano
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Joe Louis

Tyson

George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Muhammad Ali
Evander Holyfield
Larry Holmes
Not saying they could all do the job. But solid lists
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:14 AM   #59
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H2H beast yet struggled mightily in his own era? Don't get me wrong, he'd be a helluva s**** for just about anyone, but H2H he's not even in my personal Top 10.
Did he struggle though? up unti Lewis he beat everyone he fought. In the rematch I had it 7-5, fair to say prime holy fares better than past prime holy.

Even after that he managed to beat the likes of Ruiz, Rahman, Oquendo, Valuev.
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:55 PM   #60
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H2H beast yet struggled mightily in his own era?
Who didn't?
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