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Old 03-31-2013, 12:42 PM   #16
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aa had a confirmed chin(taylor,dirrell,froch,ward,miranda) and a confirmed heart(fighting through a broken jaw).

we dont know either of these as of yet with ggg because he has not had the opportuninty to confirm it.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:52 PM   #17
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aa had a confirmed chin(taylor,dirrell,froch,ward,miranda) and a confirmed heart(fighting through a broken jaw).

we dont know either of these as of yet with ggg because he has not had the opportuninty to confirm it.
True, Abraham has proven chin & heart...both proven to be very good, up to a finite point. Neither is up there on some immortal pedestal.

Chin - yeah, well over average, rock-solid for the most part...but he did get rocked hard by non-puncher Stieglitz. Dirrell actually stung him a few times as well. Froch is a big puncher but never really got to lay his power on Abraham since a) he opted to out-box him from range and b) Abraham stayed in his shell.

Heart - yeah, he fought through a broken jaw...because his team made him. He initially asked to quit but was talked into continuing. He also clearly didn't want any more in the Stieglitz rematch, no matter whose decision it was to desist. He also looked very relieved when Stjepan Bozic injured himself and had to forfeit. Bozic was out-punching Abraham to the body and making him look bad. Most boxers when they are handed victory on a flukey injury are upset to have to earn it that way instead of legitimately. Abraham practically heaved a sigh like he got bailed out.



Golovkin could well have better or worse of either attribute - you're correct, we don't quite know yet.

We do know, however, that his power is at least on the same tier as Abraham's. Unlike Abraham, that power isn't all Golovkin has going for him. Like Abraham, he isn't particularly fast but his timing is much better. So is his work rate. So is the versatility of his skill set.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:01 PM   #18
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They're 1-1 vs each other, but nobody mentions Dirrell's win
Interesting, never heard it before, What was the score?
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I think it's a damn shame they were half a generation apart and we don't get to find out h2h.

As much as Pavlik vs. Abraham seems like a lost mint in terms of action (mostly because it was so possible for so long, dangled in front of us like a carrot on the race track...or Swifty the mechanical rabbit, if we're talking dogs instead of horses) I think Pavlik vs. Golovkin would've been 10x the fortune in breathless fun.

GGG has everything AA had,
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True, Abraham has proven chin & heart...both proven to be very good, up to a finite point. Neither is up there on some immortal pedestal.

Chin - yeah, well over average, rock-solid for the most part...but he did get rocked hard by non-puncher Stieglitz. Dirrell actually stung him a few times as well. Froch is a big puncher but never really got to lay his power on Abraham since a) he opted to out-box him from range and b) Abraham stayed in his shell.

Heart - yeah, he fought through a broken jaw...because his team made him. He initially asked to quit but was talked into continuing. He also clearly didn't want any more in the Stieglitz rematch, no matter whose decision it was to desist. He also looked very relieved when Stjepan Bozic injured himself and had to forfeit. Bozic was out-punching Abraham to the body and making him look bad. Most boxers when they are handed victory on a flukey injury are upset to have to earn it that way instead of legitimately. Abraham practically heaved a sigh like he got bailed out.



Golovkin could well have better or worse of either attribute - you're correct, we don't quite know yet.

We do know, however, that his power is at least on the same tier as Abraham's. Unlike Abraham, that power isn't all Golovkin has going for him. Like Abraham, he isn't particularly fast but his timing is much better. So is his work rate. So is the versatility of his skill set.
any version of aa at 168 is not prime, because he was a different fighter at 160 as he could impose his will whereas he cannot at 168. people forget that aa was so revered at one point that he actually opened as a favorite in the super six...without ever even having fought at the weight.

im just sayign that all these newbies here that go gaga over a guy with power against limited competition have not follwed the sport for very long. for every single mike tyson there are numerous examples of david lemeiux's.

to me, the most important factor of the legitimacy of ggg is not only his stellar amatuer career but the fact that many titleholders do not want to fight him(sturm,quillan).
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Also, GGG isn't an alcoholic. He takes the sport seriously and is striving to get betterq
Not really sure about Pavlik's personal life or history but didn't he start on heavy alcohol after his first loss? Golovkin hasn't experienced that to be judged over Pavlik psychologically.
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I agree with both IB & Quincy K.
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You mean that isn't possible ?
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any version of aa at 168 is not prime, because he was a different fighter at 160 as he could impose his will whereas he cannot at 168. people forget that aa was so revered at one point that he actually opened as a favorite in the super six...without ever even having fought at the weight.

im just sayign that all these newbies here that go gaga over a guy with power against limited competition have not follwed the sport for very long. for every single mike tyson there are numerous examples of david lemeiux's.

to me, the most important factor of the legitimacy of ggg is not only his stellar amatuer career but the fact that many titleholders do not want to fight him(sturm,quillan).
C'mon now, you are making it sound as if GGG is some kind of Jeff Lacy or Samuel Peter. Looks crude and unshakeable and knocks everyone out. Sure, time will tell and GGG's resume is not very thick yet. But a true boxing fan knows a good thing when he sees it.

To me Golovkin is Tszyu 2.0. Same murderous punch and stalking. Also short for his weight. They even both have some Korean blood in them! But Golovkin is not as stocky as Tszyu was, he is lighter on his feet, with better workrate. He also thinks every second of the fight and never throws a wild punch.

Lemieux was a spoiled kid compared to Golovkin. Got everything handed to him, fell in love with his own power knocking opponents down and out one after another. Had his home crowd behind him every time he fought. Didn't know what to do when he had a seasoned vet in front of him who stayed in the fight. I wonder what would have happened if Lemieux faced the Ouma Golovkin faced? And who hands things on a plate to a guy from Kazakhstan in the US?

Hopefully Geale, Martinez, Quillin and Chavez won't be able to run forever. I would hate for Golovkin to move up to 168 before he cleans up middleweight.

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Old 03-31-2013, 01:41 PM   #27
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I do not agree at all from what i have seen, and i can see Golovkin getting better and better with every fight
Unfortunately because of cunt promoters we will never see the best fights made for Golovkin and this is why boxing will never will be popular sport
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You mean that isn't possible ?
No, it's just interesting.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:29 PM   #29
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Pavlik had problems with fighters who didn't stand in front of him and gave him angles. But still his skills was beyond anything GGG has. So what do u think will happen when someone gives GGG a little movement?

GGG fans will say the boxer ran all night but we all know what it is.
Lets cut quickly to the chase here....

Pavlik had limited skills, and that was his problem in the ring
GGG? NO!
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Interesting, never heard it before, What was the score?
Dirrell won by like a point, 17-16 or so. It was in Mississippi at a U.S./Kazakhstan duel meet. Dirrell got some home cooking from the judges.
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