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Old 04-01-2013, 05:45 AM   #16
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Are you trying to tell us that Lennox had a better chin than Wlad ?
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:47 AM   #17
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Lewis would take his head off within a few rounds. Unfair matchup I think, cruiserweight vs heavyweight.
Lightheavyweights these days come in the ring around 185 lbs.

Considering Marciano also eat a lot before weigh ins he could easily make the lhw limit with some sweating.

Chavez Jr also is around 185lbs inside the ring but he's using diuretics... (Chavez at fight night is heavier than Froch at fight night)
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:59 AM   #18
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Lightheavyweights these days come in the ring around 185 lbs.

Considering Marciano also eat a lot before weigh ins he could easily make the lhw limit with some sweating.

Chavez Jr also is around 185lbs inside the ring but he's using diuretics... (Chavez at fight night is heavier than Froch at fight night)
Shut up.....Marciano eat just one meal a day. He was a natural 200-210 pounder. His training regime was devised to stay at a low weight.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:08 AM   #19
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Shut up.....Marciano eat just one meal a day. He was a natural 200-210 pounder. His training regime was devised to stay at a low weight.
Carl Froch also trains down with a strict diet, around 180 lbs at fightnight.

Some minimumweights can sweat off 10 lbs, why can't a man who's 80% bigger can't do the same?
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:31 AM   #20
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Carl Froch also trains down with a strict diet, around 180 lbs at fightnight.

Some minimumweights can sweat off 10 lbs, why can't a man who's 80% bigger can't do the same?
The Light Heavy limit is 175lbs, Rocky trained like an absolute freak, no fighter before or since has shown such resolute dedication to their training and diet. Despite all of this the lightest he could get down to was still about 185lbs, he's not going to "sweat off" another 10lbs without collapsing and being rendered useless for a fight.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:35 AM   #21
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Also I like how so many are saying 2-3 rounds tops, when Tommy Morrison who majority on here will say was rubbish, glass chin, nothing more than a left hook lasted for 6 rounds. Good stuff.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:38 AM   #22
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Lewis pretty easily

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The Light Heavy limit is 175lbs, Rocky trained like an absolute freak, no fighter before or since has shown such resolute dedication to their training and diet. Despite all of this the lightest he could get down to was still about 185lbs, he's not going to "sweat off" another 10lbs without collapsing and being rendered useless for a fight.
You don't know anything about weight making, the body is mainly water so by cutting water weight you can go well below your fighting weight for a weigh in, then you put the water back on. Marciano could easily make 175 and maybe 168.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:49 AM   #23
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Lewis pretty easily



You don't know anything about weight making, the body is mainly water so by cutting water weight you can go well below your fighting weight for a weigh in, then you put the water back on. Marciano could easily make 175 and maybe 168.
So he could come into the ring like Gandhi? Shut up clown.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:19 AM   #24
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Lewis pretty easily



You don't know anything about weight making, the body is mainly water so by cutting water weight you can go well below your fighting weight for a weigh in, then you put the water back on. Marciano could easily make 175 and maybe 168.
Yes, please tell me how one cuts water weight exactly? By doing the exact thing's that Marciano did perhaps?

And Marciano making 168? GTFO
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Rios used to fight at LW but in come at MW, that's 2 stone in water weight.
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:17 AM   #26
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Yes, please tell me how one cuts water weight exactly? By doing the exact thing's that Marciano did perhaps?

And Marciano making 168? GTFO
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Oscar weighs 162 pounds, he dehydrated and rehydrated 16 lbs! (Chavez refused to go on the scales at fight night)
A "welter" can cut 16 lbs, but somehow it's not possible for Rocky to cut 10 lbs?

And as far as I know Foreman is the only heavyweight champ that ever got dehydrated (Saddler thought it was good, ergo he was an idiot)
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:35 AM   #27
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Oscar weighs 162 pounds, he dehydrated and rehydrated 16 lbs! (Chavez refused to go on the scales at fight night)
A "welter" can cut 16 lbs, but somehow it's not possible for Rocky to cut 10 lbs?

And as far as I know Foreman is the only heavyweight champ that ever got dehydrated (Saddler thought it was good, ergo he was an idiot)
What exactly would be the point of Marciano dehydrating himself exactly? he fought at a weight class where there were no limits. He was a natural 200lbs+ guy who trained himself DOWN in weight in order to have as much stamina as possible. In the off season despite going for daily 5 mile runs, 10 mile walks and other exercise he still weighed over 200lbs+. Like I said originally he ain't gonna cut that much weight without dehydrating himself or being in such a shape that he'd be completely useless in a fight.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:49 AM   #28
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Difficult one to envisage, given I don't think Lewis fought anyone with the relentless pressure and power of Marciano, and Marciano never fought a tall out-boxer as gifted as Lewis.

I try to ignore size differentials between era's as a majority influence, but it must be acknowledged here, Marciano was a relatively small heavyweight, Lewis was a relatively tall one. Lewis also had the range and a good jab to keep Rocky at bay.

Still I think Rocky's durability and constant (if not the most intelligent) pressure gets him inside on at least a few occasions, and it is here where Lewis will have trouble as he was not the most effective in-fighter and could be flustered. Take into consideration Lewis did not have a cast-iron chin, and this fight is nowhere near as one-sided as some are making out.

Still, the main issue for Rocky is actually getting into punching range with his stature. Lewis was not the fastest around the ring but he did have deft footwork, could get out of tight situations and stay out of trouble. He would control with the jab and land enough right hands from range and grazing uppercuts on the inside to discourage Marciano from getting into full flow, taking a points decision.
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Yes, please tell me how one cuts water weight exactly? By doing the exact thing's that Marciano did perhaps?

And Marciano making 168? GTFO
I think you're getting confused. Marciano trained down to his best fighting weight. Modern day fighters outside the heavyweight division boil down to their contracted fighting weight, mainly by dehydrating themselves to dangerous levels via sweatsuits, diuretics and so on. They then rapidly put that depleted water weight back on again in order to reach their fighting weight. Marciano was perfectly capable of fighting at 185, even if it wasn't his walking around weight. A modern day welter would be in no fit state to fight if they didn't rehydrate after a weigh in. That's the difference.

If Rocky used the same dangerous methods to eliminate water weight he could boil down to a significantly lower number on the scales which would enable him to fight at a lower division against men of a similar size to himself. It would be pointless if he was still planning to fight at heavy of course.
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Yes, please tell me how one cuts water weight exactly? By doing the exact thing's that Marciano did perhaps?

And Marciano making 168? GTFO
No that's not how you cut water weight, you have water intake of 10litres of water per day for a few days, then 48 hours before you completely remove carbohydrates, then 36-24 hours you limit any water consumption to next to nothing, go into a steam room to sweat off weight and take diuretics.

That's good for at least 10% water weight cutting, so 182 - 18 = 164lbs, so yes Marciano could make 168 and maybe even 160.
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