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Old 04-03-2013, 09:46 PM   #46
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I'd pay a large sum to see how he'd do when cornered or fighting off the ropes against a level of operator such as Duran (135-147) or Chavez (130-140). I think it'd spell certain disaster and he'd probably be best inclined not to take it there. This is always one of your biggest points on those matchups, but like rip alluded to (in a surprising solid post), sometimes it really feels Floyd allows it to happen by design. He's been very effectively pressured, but he never seems to lose his poise there, he evades, guards or blocks a majority of the shots thrown at him and his infighting ability, accuracy and punch variety shines.
Yup. Many times he'll walk a fighter right into that right hand, and set himself comfortably on the ropes while evading shots and returning fire with a simple swivel of the hips. Of course sometimes he's rushed there too and may get scored on, but it's not long before he settles in.

I'd pay more than I could afford, I think. Duran or Chavez would improvise on Floyd's guard in ways never seen before, and it would push Floyd to try and do the same. In particular, both of them had a real talent for pressing their left shoulder/forearm onto an opponent's right hand and smothering it (Chavez did this to great effect against Rosario and rendered it useless). Floyd's left is often stuck defending his body (unless he pushes off with his forearm first), so the right also tied up while either of them lean their weight on him would open up opportunities to the body not usually there. I'd expect that Floyd in turn would have to let his hands go much more freely, which itself creates another unusual dynamic.

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I think Floyd's comfortable wherever the fight goes, and his inside game has really come to the forefront in recent years, so getting pushed up against the ropes isn't really going to get to him much. Still, as we saw against Castillo and Cotto - probably the two best pure pressure fighters he's faced - he can be forced there when it suits him more to keep things in the middle of the ring. He doesn't have complete, total control of space against high level guys (or borderline high level, in Floyd's case) quite like Whitaker or several others. I really rate Mayweather as a ring general, but I don't think he's in the running for very best ever.
Spot on.
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:48 PM   #47
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Also what do you two look like? I'm trying to imagine us downing pints and laughing the night away and telling stories on stool chairs at a bar but I can't get an honest picture. I used to picture you as your avatars and now that's all ****ed up, Floyd don't drink.
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Good post.

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:07 PM   #49
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:11 PM   #50
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Also what do you two look like? I'm trying to imagine us downing pints and laughing the night away and telling stories on stool chairs at a bar but I can't get an honest picture. I used to picture you as your avatars and now that's all ****ed up, Floyd don't drink.
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Look in the pictures thread, Bogo. Hands' picture is on his ESB account, isn't it?
Yeah, I didnt think there was anyone who doesn't know what I look like. thecobra posted in the Pics thread, even Garrus did.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:19 PM   #51
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Wonder what Bogotazo looks like. Colombian lawyer.
Colombian women are gorgeous. Bogo would probably come with the **** block techniques on it at every opportunity. "stick to your own kind"
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Bogo looks like Scarface's sidekick no doubt in my mind
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:26 PM   #53
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I removed my pic from my photobucket account, so it's lost to ESB forever I'm afraid...




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Bogo ain't Cuban!

If he is a Colombian lawyer, clearly he half resembles Happy Lora and half resembles Johnnie Cochran. It's the only logical conclusion.
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Bogo ain't Cuban!

If he is a Colombian lawyer, clearly he half resembles Happy Lora and half resembles Johnnie Cochran. It's the only logical conclusion.
You don't have to be Cuban to look like one cunty

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You don't have to be Cuban to look like one cunty

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:43 PM   #56
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Word word. I'm feelin the chill vibe in that pic.

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Colombian women are gorgeous. Bogo would probably come with the **** block techniques on it at every opportunity. "stick to your own kind"


If I'm completely honest, I do feel there's a trend of Colombian girls, born here or born there, coming here and going for the most preppy, asshole 6-foot white boys. It's like they conform to the US standards of status and have some kind of colonial insecurity that propels them to forsake their own kind. I have nothing against cross-cultural relationships or anything of the sort, I just have a bitter suspicion that something compels them to shun their own men and it pisses me off.

So yes there would be much of that going on and you'd have to excuse me.

This thread really got side-tracked didn't it?
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If I'm completely honest, I do feel there's a trend of Colombian girls, born here or born there, coming here and going for the most preppy, asshole 6-foot white boys. It's like they conform to the US standards of status and have some kind of colonial insecurity that propels them to forsake their own kind. I have nothing against cross-cultural relationships or anything of the sort, I just have a bitter suspicion that something compels them to shun their own men and it pisses me off.

So yes there would be much of that going on and you'd have to excuse me.
I got you, man. I'm a 5-7 white boy if that matters and I live in the hood (South Phx). Nice pics too, bro.

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:59 PM   #58
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You look like a cool dude, Bog.

Bit let down about the Lora/Cochran hybrid-abomination thing though...



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I got you, man. I'm a 5-7 white boy if that matters and I live in the hood (South Phx). Nice pics too, bro.



Honestly, you're talking to the most notorious group of thread side-trackers and hijackers in the history of ESB It's what we do.

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We really do love boxing though.
Thanks man. You look like a real dude, not surprising. I'll share.

(Also a bit of a relief that I don't have to start reading your posts in a British accent.)

And I never realized it but it's so true half of the 6+ pages in the classic and even some in the general are because of you fools. Don't think I can resist any longer.
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Honestly this thread was walking a bad path. And Sven if no one else does I remember exactly what the cobra looks like. Exactly...
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