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Old 04-04-2013, 08:11 PM   #1
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Default Can A Case Be Made For Chavez Beating Randall In Either Fight?

The first fight was too tight in my opinion, with Randall winning handily. The second fight also should have gone to Randall in my opinion, though I have to say Chavez impressed me with is boxing and moving in that fight. In reality though, didn't Chavez betray there that Randall had his number by throwing away his natural style and turning boxer that way?

Let's be realistic; Don King was never going to let his boy out of that ring without the title that night. The judges were going to find it in his favor no matter what, barring a KO, but how'd you have it?
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:14 PM   #2
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The rematch could have gone either way imo.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:15 PM   #3
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Yeah. I thought the first was damn close too (albeit for Randall).
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:03 PM   #4
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I thought the first fight wasn't close at all. Chavez was deducted two or three points and he lost the fight around 8 rounds to 4.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:06 PM   #5
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Abraham Chavarria scored it 114-113 for Chavez........Without question, maybe the most corrupt scorecards in the history of the game. It is quite simply not possible to have Chavez winning this fight, far less with two points taken off for fouls.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:09 PM   #6
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Someone's making a case that Antonio Tarver is a great fighter, right now, Sal. If you started a thread on whether or not Jack Johnson was black, someone would make a case that he wasn't.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:13 PM   #7
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Abraham Chavarria scored it 114-113 for Chavez........Without question, maybe the most corrupt scorecards in the history of the game. It is quite simply not possible to have Chavez winning this fight, far less with two points taken off for fouls.
And.........Chavez was also knocked down in this fight as well. So thats two points off for low blows and the knockdown. I still think Randall won the fight without the points off helping him.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:20 PM   #8
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And.........Chavez was also knocked down in this fight as well. So thats two points off for low blows and the knockdown. I still think Randall won the fight without the points off helping him.

Agreed. Chavez winning the first one cannot be intelligently argued.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:21 PM   #9
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Someone's making a case that Antonio Tarver is a great fighter, right now, Sal. If you started a thread on whether or not Jack Johnson was black, someone would make a case that he wasn't.
I had to do a double-take on that thread..........
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I saw Randall winning both. I love the first fight. The thing I got out of the first fight is not that Chavez lost since all greats lose, it is his attitude after the fight. Not sportsman like.
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I saw Randall winning both. I love the first fight. The thing I got out of the first fight is not that Chavez lost since all greats lose, it is his attitude after the fight. Not sportsman like.
He blamed everyone, apart from himself.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:19 PM   #12
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I actually scored the first fight a draw the first time I watched it. On many subsequent viewings I always felt Randall deserved it by a point or two. I don't see it as being a one sided fight or anything like that. But it's hard to actually score it for Chavez, I must confess.

Likewise in the rematch I think Randall by a point or so, perhaps even if you push it.

Always bugged me that Flip Homansky was never held to account for giving Chavez that get out of jail free card. As much as Chavez whined about the incident, it was actually Flip's job to call it as it was. Blame can't all go to Chavez.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:20 PM   #13
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He blamed everyone, apart from himself.
So, so ironic that he was blaming Richard Steele.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:28 PM   #14
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The first fight, I can't see how you can give it to Chavez. He loses the fight if you give him 7 rounds- Twice deducted, once dropped, he'd lose by one point if he won enough rounds to win.

And he did. Most I can see you give to him is six, and that's giving him every benefit of every doubt.

Chavez was rather decisively outboxed that night, and the foul deductions padded Randall's lead. Made it rather hard to rob him, looking at the cards.

The second fight was close and contentious. I had it 7-5 for Randall, but without a knockdown and deductions that made a DQ a possibility, Chavez had the opening he needed to squeak one. I think it was a bad decision, but I can't call it a robbery.

Randall was a really good boxer. Underrated.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:29 PM   #15
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Randall won more rounds than Chavez...No question. 8 rounds to 4 or 7 rounds to 5. And you have two points on deductions for low blows and an extra point for the knockdown.


Sweet. I'm baffled how you had a draw.
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