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Old 04-09-2013, 12:12 PM   #121
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2 can play that childish game.

Did Clay hit Cooper so often in the 5th round that his faced was bloodstained and he could no longer continue?



This forum is a revolving door for blatant anti-Ali agendas/delusionists.


Bloody right,John ! Some of them need a liedown in a darkened room.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:29 PM   #122
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I thinks it pretty obvious your talking bullshit!
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:48 PM   #123
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2 can play that childish game.

Did Clay hit Cooper so often in the 5th round that his faced was bloodstained and he could no longer continue?



This forum is a revolving door for blatant anti-Ali agendas/delusionists.
I keep thinking Senor Pepe is still lurking about here somewhere

All this conspiracy theory bullshit
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:50 PM   #124
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Its definitely him
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:45 PM   #125
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You don't know why he stood up so your just assuming. His legs sure as hell didn't show that he was semi conscious. What makes you think he'd have been kod if he hadn't had been given the salts?
If you watch the video, Ali's corner put smelling salts were under his nose...then he came to, jerked his head up. His eyes looked like pin-balls. Ali did not know where he was, and had to be restrained by Dundee in-between rounds. Add to the fact that Dundee himself said right after the fight there was an extended delay between rounds, far more than an 8 seconds.

If Cooper's corner or the ref was aware of what went down, they could have made an appeal to the commission, and perhaps the fight goes down as a NC, or DQ.
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If you watch the video, Ali's corner put smelling salts were under his nose...then he came to, jerked his head up. His eyes looked like pin-balls. Ali did not know where he was, and had to be restrained by Dundee in-between rounds. Add to the fact that Dundee himself said right after the fight there was an extended delay between rounds, far more than an 8 seconds.

If Cooper's corner or the ref was aware of what went down, they could have made an appeal to the commission, and perhaps the fight goes down as a NC, or DQ.
Thank you at least some people on here can see the clear evidence.
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Yeah, Ali without PEDS simply could not beat a Prime Cooper
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:02 PM   #128
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:47 PM   #129
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Yeah, Ali without PEDS simply could not beat a Prime Cooper


He'd beat a prime Bowe and Buster Douglas on the same night
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:47 PM   #130
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He'd beat a prime Bowe and Buster Douglas on the same night
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:58 PM   #131
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****sake, I'm all for free speech and everything, but if I was ever tempted to permanently blackball the discussion, for or against, of one fighter on this forum, it'd be Ali. I suppose I don't really come on here frequently enough that I should let it get on my tits, so more fool me, but it drives me ****ing wappy. He rarely generates constructive discussion, so why bother? Don't answer that.

Sorry, but the potstirring, anti-Ali trolls and monotheistic Ali arsekissers are all as bad as each other. It just seems to be that one group are rightly denounced as trolls where the other group gets away with it, and there are way more of the latter knocking about than the former. Their agendas are usually masked - badly, I might add - behind a rather insidious veneer of bland credibility so that their opinions seem to carry much more weight than those of the minority nutters, sadsacks and easy targets when it often isn't the case.

Somebody rather sneeringly mentioned Pepe/Duce earlier on. Granted that he had some odd opinions and that his anti-Ali pish was often embarrassing, irritating and ill-advised, clogging up the forum as it did along with all the redundant pro-Ali threads. It was also occasionally valid and hugely outweighed by the reams of excellent obscure information he often contributed and the number of excellent threads he started on a number of relatively little-discussed fighters (or even well-discussed ones, ie. Liston) to provoke discussion. At least he actually contributed something rather than belligerently trotting out tired, whiny, redundant cliches (probably like this one), which is more than plenty of people on this ridiculous thread can say whether they like Ali or not.

Ali was one of the main reasons I became interested in boxing and it's history as a child, and I never thought I'd find myself at the point where discussing him actually bores me, which is making me berate myself.
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:57 AM   #132
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****sake, I'm all for free speech and everything, but if I was ever tempted to permanently blackball the discussion, for or against, of one fighter on this forum, it'd be Ali. I suppose I don't really come on here frequently enough that I should let it get on my tits, so more fool me, but it drives me ****ing wappy. He rarely generates constructive discussion, so why bother? Don't answer that.

Sorry, but the potstirring, anti-Ali trolls and monotheistic Ali arsekissers are all as bad as each other. It just seems to be that one group are rightly denounced as trolls where the other group gets away with it, and there are way more of the latter knocking about than the former. Their agendas are usually masked - badly, I might add - behind a rather insidious veneer of bland credibility so that their opinions seem to carry much more weight than those of the minority nutters, sadsacks and easy targets when it often isn't the case.

Somebody rather sneeringly mentioned Pepe/Duce earlier on. Granted that he had some odd opinions and that his anti-Ali pish was often embarrassing, irritating and ill-advised, clogging up the forum as it did along with all the redundant pro-Ali threads. It was also occasionally valid and hugely outweighed by the reams of excellent obscure information he often contributed and the number of excellent threads he started on a number of relatively little-discussed fighters (or even well-discussed ones, ie. Liston) to provoke discussion. At least he actually contributed something rather than belligerently trotting out tired, whiny, redundant cliches (probably like this one), which is more than plenty of people on this ridiculous thread can say whether they like Ali or not.

Ali was one of the main reasons I became interested in boxing and it's history as a child, and I never thought I'd find myself at the point where discussing him actually bores me, which is making me berate myself.
serious question.

If a person knocks Ali hes a troll, if someone defends him hes an arse-kisser. What way would you like questions to be asked/answered?
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There was no consensus on the prohibiion of PEDs in sport, I'm not sure it was even discussed in boxing, and certainly hardly any 'moral outrage' regarding their use, it simply wasn't an issue in the days when Muhammad Ali was competing.
The drugs existed, and were used by some boxers. But it wasn't cheating.

As for smelling salts, I'm not sure why they were banned in the UK, if that's even true.
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There was no consensus on the prohibiion of PEDs in sport, I'm not sure it was even discussed in boxing, and certainly hardly any 'moral outrage' regarding their use, it simply wasn't an issue in the days when Muhammad Ali was competing.
The drugs existed, and were used by some boxers. But it wasn't cheating.

As for smelling salts, I'm not sure why they were banned in the UK, if that's even true.
Tell that to Erbito Salavarria
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****sake, I'm all for free speech and everything, but if I was ever tempted to permanently blackball the discussion, for or against, of one fighter on this forum, it'd be Ali. I suppose I don't really come on here frequently enough that I should let it get on my tits, so more fool me, but it drives me ****ing wappy. He rarely generates constructive discussion, so why bother? Don't answer that.

Sorry, but the potstirring, anti-Ali trolls and monotheistic Ali arsekissers are all as bad as each other. It just seems to be that one group are rightly denounced as trolls where the other group gets away with it, and there are way more of the latter knocking about than the former. Their agendas are usually masked - badly, I might add - behind a rather insidious veneer of bland credibility so that their opinions seem to carry much more weight than those of the minority nutters, sadsacks and easy targets when it often isn't the case.

Somebody rather sneeringly mentioned Pepe/Duce earlier on. Granted that he had some odd opinions and that his anti-Ali pish was often embarrassing, irritating and ill-advised, clogging up the forum as it did along with all the redundant pro-Ali threads. It was also occasionally valid and hugely outweighed by the reams of excellent obscure information he often contributed and the number of excellent threads he started on a number of relatively little-discussed fighters (or even well-discussed ones, ie. Liston) to provoke discussion. At least he actually contributed something rather than belligerently trotting out tired, whiny, redundant cliches (probably like this one), which is more than plenty of people on this ridiculous thread can say whether they like Ali or not.

Ali was one of the main reasons I became interested in boxing and it's history as a child, and I never thought I'd find myself at the point where discussing him actually bores me, which is making me berate myself.
Very nice post. I'm suprised that people are such ardent defenders of Ali. I'm not a hater or anything. He was a very amazing fighter who could fight on par with all of the great heavyweights of the past and beat some of them. His footwork was also great though it was tiring on a heavyweight.

The only argument I'm making is that Ali's was weaker in his earlier career. He got lucky in some of his fights when he was losing on points and got a cut (Sonny Banks), knocked down and hurt by Cooper and had to use smelling salts among other thins.

What do you think of the evidence I showed in the OP? If you don't condone smelling salts today and think that they give an unfair advantage what about back the. I think it's a joke people are likening them to coffee.
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