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Old 02-20-2008, 04:08 AM   #46
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Just looking at your avatar/username... or are there other classic boxers from Manassa?

Regarding those extra three
When do I ever post on Jack Dempsey?

I live in Manassa...
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:10 AM   #47
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There's no substitute for "living" the time, and i am envious of the likes of a Johnny Garfield.
There certainly isn't, but you can understand I know Hagler's filmed fights like the back of my hand; I would never say Duran was a good performance, but it was far from his worst. He under achieved there, perhaps, but it's not like he was battered like against Willie Monroe.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:16 AM   #48
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There certainly isn't, but you can understand I know Hagler's filmed fights like the back of my hand; I would never say Duran was a good performance, but it was far from his worst. He under achieved there, perhaps, but it's not like he was battered like against Willie Monroe.
True, but i am taking "reputation", aura, experience, true ability at the time and expectation into account and the Hagler vs Monroe and Duran cannot be compared in any of these categories.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:20 AM   #49
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When do I ever post on Jack Dempsey?

I live in Manassa...
I suppose you have posted a time or two regarding the lighter weights? Can't say I've noticed to be honest. Did you used to go by M M. or something like that?
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:58 AM   #50
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He took him out in the 2nd round.....

He boxed very well, felt him out in the first round, and looked to time him in the 2nd, and the finish was perfect. The second he was hurt he was out of there.
Hagler could have taken him out in 20 seconds. Watch the Scypion fight. I think it is a better display of skill and it has a good finish too.
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:14 AM   #51
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You won't see a boxer looking much more like a boxer than in that fight, Hagler moved flawlessly. Didn't land as many clean punches as usual though and the finish wasn't convincing, so I wouldn't rate it in the top five.

I think I would select the second Obelmejias fight as Hagler's best, but there's no real reason to choose that over any of the others from that era. Hagler often performed very well.
The late 70s and early 80s were full of great performances. The Scypion fight strikes me as his peak fight and I don't remember him performing better after that fight. Granted Scypion was rushed through the ranks, but he got a beating throughout. I found that beating the most aesthetic of all in Hagler's career.

Obel was undefeated for long streaks before both Hagler fights and was a worthy #1 contender. The Minter fight is also something special, at least for its sheer brutality, and the way the whole torrid event seemed appropriate for his "angry champion" image.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:30 AM   #52
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Maybe not worst, but when i have plenty of time i will describe at length why i think he was totally ordinary that night.

I remember the fight as it was at the time, the pre fight hype, the Hagler hype and the massive amount of respect Hagler lost before making most people forget with a great effort vs Hearns. I lived it. More than one great observer said they should have taken away the "Marvellous" monicker from Hagler and placed it in front of Duran.
What did you think of him in the Hearns fight-did it live up to expectations?
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:54 PM   #53
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What did you think of him in the Hearns fight-did it live up to expectations?
Hagler was a man possessed that night. Steel chin, superb handspeed, strength, and the heart of a Lion.

He lived up to expectations and more.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:50 PM   #54
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I thought Scypion folded very easily.The ending shots did not look very damaging especially compared to most of Marvin's other knockouts.

Still, a great performance on hagler's part.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:46 PM   #55
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Vito Antufermo made him look bad in there 1st fight and went after him in the 13th rd and said come on lets fight and blasted Marvin along the ropes
Hagler did not look good vs Duran

Leonard made him look less than potent

The Hearns fight+++, the Mugabi, the Fuli O fights, Hamsho,Sibson,Minter
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:30 AM   #56
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Hagler peaked before he won the World Championship IMO; his best performances being:

1: MonroeIII
2: Colbert
3: AntuofermoII
4: MonroeII
5: Sibson
6: Hart

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1: MonroeI
2: Leonard
3: WattsI
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:42 AM   #57
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Best..Hearns , Minter , Caveman Lee ....worst ..Leonard , Duran.....
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When do I ever post on Jack Dempsey?

I live in Manassa...
I didnt know Colarado was in the UK.Question,do you ever go to the fights ,then come home and watch the taped fight?It might surprise you how different things can look ringside as opposed to TV,it often did me.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:17 PM   #59
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I suppose you have posted a time or two regarding the lighter weights?
More like I've posted once or twice about heavyweights. They bore me to death nowadays.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:17 PM   #60
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I didnt know Colarado was in the UK.Question,do you ever go to the fights ,then come home and watch the taped fight?It might surprise you how different things can look ringside as opposed to TV,it often did me.
Yes, often.
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