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Old 05-14-2013, 03:44 PM   #91
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Eddie has said in many a interview that he realises that a lot of hardcore boxing fans hate Prizefighter yet he carries on with it, so he must be catering for the casual fans with that and now he's doing it with PPV.

What do the hardcore element get? a normal fight card every blue moon on sky sports, its not good enough.
Hardcore fans get fights like Choi-simpson,Crolla-Matthews and Frampton-Martinez but there needs to be more of them.It`s a fine balanceing act for him because he has to chase ratings to keep his Sky deal.It`s a shame for him that the Haye fight isn`t happening(hardcore fans know it`s a shit fight) because it would guantee great ratings.I`m sure on a IFilm interview he said 4 prizefighters a year would be what he will be looking for in the future which isn`t so bad if he got more proper dates as well.Also there a few hardcore fans who if the line up is decent think it`s a bit of fun,I have been to one and the atmoshere was good.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:47 PM   #92
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Hardcore fans who bitch whine and complain aren't the people that make fighters rich.

Sorry, but you all massively overstate your importance.
So boxing could survive without fans that read and follow it every day?
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:51 PM   #93
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So boxing could survive without fans that read and follow it every day?
You need both.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:53 PM   #94
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Yes he did.
The statement,

"caters for piss head football/casual fans instead of the hardcore element"

doesn't translate into,

"If they only catered for the hardcore element boxing would have died a death a long time ago Bill."


Both parties can be catered for on a boxing card, especially a ppv one
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:54 PM   #95
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So if the Bellew v Chilemba fight turns out to be quality, and Groves v whoever is FOTY....you gonna order a repeat of the PPV for 15quid?
No I wouldn't because it's still wasn't PPV worthy in the first place, you don't buy a PPV hoping to be surprised that its good do you.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:54 PM   #96
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So boxing could survive without fans that read and follow it every day?
Of course not, but it's the wider general public that put the vast, vast majority of the money in the pockets of the top fighters.

Why do you think BoxNation is struggling so much?
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:55 PM   #97
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The statement,

"caters for piss head football/casual fans instead of the hardcore element"

doesn't translate into,

"If they only catered for the hardcore element boxing would have died a death a long time ago Bill."


Both parties can be catered for on a boxing card, especially a ppv one
Thankyou.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:57 PM   #98
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The statement,

"caters for piss head football/casual fans instead of the hardcore element"

doesn't translate into,
Clearly our understanding of the word 'instead' is very different.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:58 PM   #99
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Of course not, but it's the wider general public that put the vast, vast majority of the money in the pockets of the top fighters.

Why do you think BoxNation is struggling so much?
I do agree of course new fans need to be brought into the sport but not at the expense of the people that watch it all the time, what brings new fans into the sport are good fights and value for money, Froch/Kessler is a good fight but that on its own is not value for money, especially when there's so little boxing on sky.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:00 PM   #100
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I do agree of course new fans need to be brought into the sport but not at the expense of the people that watch it all the time, what brings new fans into the sport are good fights and value for money, Froch/Kessler is a good fight but that on its own is not value for money, especially when there's so little boxing on sky.
Sorry, but you have a very idealistic few on life and sport it would seem. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't fit in with the current status quo.

Look at football, at all levels the 'average' man who loves his team is being priced out and left to stand and watch as his club prices him out and looks to bring in the corporates.

I find it disgusting, but sport is as much a business as anything else nowadays.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:11 PM   #101
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Sorry, but you have a very idealistic few on life and sport it would seem. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't fit in with the current status quo.

Look at football, at all levels the 'average' man who loves his team is being priced out and left to stand and watch as his club prices him out and looks to bring in the corporates.

I find it disgusting, but sport is as much a business as anything else nowadays.
That's a fair point, I understand what you are saying but I don't want to just roll over and go along with whatever bullshit occurs when I don't agree with it, I am well aware that nobody is going to listen to a 28 year old glorified plumber with a bit of a beer belly but for my own sanity I won't go along with these corporate needs.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:30 PM   #102
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Well I am and its not really up for debate.
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If you want to moan about me not buying the PPV, moan to your pal Eddie for not making it worth the money, its his fault I'm not buying it.


I love Bill's posts!
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:32 PM   #103
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That's a fair point, I understand what you are saying but I don't want to just roll over and go along with whatever bullshit occurs when I don't agree with it, I am well aware that nobody is going to listen to a 28 year old glorified plumber with a bit of a beer belly but for my own sanity I won't go along with these corporate needs.
Thats not just boxing or sport mate its the world. I am sure your business has been ****ed over because a bunch of bankers couldn't keep there egos in check!
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:35 PM   #104
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Sorry, but you have a very idealistic few on life and sport it would seem. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't fit in with the current status quo.

Look at football, at all levels the 'average' man who loves his team is being priced out and left to stand and watch as his club prices him out and looks to bring in the corporates.

I find it disgusting, but sport is as much a business as anything else nowadays.
Long term these sports, and boxing will see an affect.

Hearn is doing exactly what he has been critical of Frank for doing. Boxing is in the shit state its in in this country because of fans getting ripped off. Hearn is ripping the fans off with this PPV.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:41 PM   #105
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that's in response to people saying what would we do without BoxNation for international fights. I said I preferred it before when I would watch online.

I would subscribe to BoxNation but still watch the fights online allot of the time.
Fair do's.

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If I am going to be able to sit down and watch 3-4 hours of quality boxing I am happy to pay 15 for it. 45minutes I will just stream it. I wouldn't fund bullshit like this.
^^When Groves opponent was named.
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