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Old 05-22-2013, 04:20 PM   #1
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Waste of time trying to have a conversation about the main man in the news today as everything gets deleted.so how about a change in subject

Is there a worrying trend of promoters unable to do the job expected of them In Britain


Hatton promotions-non existent shows,any fighters on the books active have to go on the road as an opponent.so bad joe Murray left to go to 'he who shall not be named'
Maloney promotions-loaded tv finished.bleak future ahead,maybe just a few Liverpool shows a year which success is totally based on David price doing well in the ring
Hennessy promotions-despite having 3 names fury degale eubank he is unable to deliver guaranteed tv deal.without it will they continue to fight on the road
'He who shall not be named'-non existent shows.not delivering on proposed shows.fighters leaving all the time
Spencer fearon hard knocks shows have disappeared this year despite having ticket seller choi and British champ Darren Hamilton


Any small hall promoter relys on ticket sales by fighters and yet they still run at a loss



The only exception to the rule is 'little' dave coldwell who although producing good,regular shows happens to have a useful friend
And that's where we come to the problem


Matchrooms monopoly,going over old ground I know but are we starting to see the impact of their contract with sky meaning no one else gets a look in despite obvious sweat,blood and tears by some massively experienced promoters they cannot do regular nights showcasing their fighters


Surely this is bad for boxing,it has to be and I'm an eternal optimist
Our prospects aren't getting fights and a lot of our professionals are killing themselves for money that ain't worth the dedication required


Who will want to be involved in boxing looking at the wreckage of our domestic scene
And how can a show make money without a tv deal.innovation needed
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:24 PM   #2
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Should be going back to terrestrial TV to gain exposure.

Should be knocking on the doors of BBC , ITV, Channel 4, with offers too good to turn down. Short term pain for long term gain.

If Hennessy plays his cards right with Channel 5 hes onto a winner. As for the others they need to make things happen and fast.
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:32 PM   #3
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Should be going back to terrestrial TV to gain exposure.

Should be knocking on the doors of BBC , ITV, Channel 4, with offers too good to turn down. Short term pain for long term gain.

If Hennessy plays his cards right with Channel 5 hes onto a winner. As for the others they need to make things happen and fast.
I think once price has had his day then maloneys retiring

Maybe the same for mick with fury

And as good and young the hattons stable is I can't see them continuing as they are

This isn't good for boxing in this country
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The cut in dates and Sky budget has hurt the amount of money boxers can make in this country no doubt but if Boxing isn`t producing the viewing figures Sky want then unfortunaly I unnderstand why they did that and we would of had the same problem if Hearn and Hatton shared 10 dates each.People slag of prizefighter but it a really good payday for the fighters who enter in it,who come from a variety of promoter/managers.Hopefully in 18 months there will be more dates avalible and some flexabilty in the budget to give another promoter a chance or two once in awhile.The other Promoters need to step up,wazza has his own channel and some of his fighters are inactive so the bussiness model of box nation isn`t working for domestic fighters imo.I would love Hatton to get a 10 fight a year deal on BT to give Hearn some competion that is servely lacking at the moment.There might not be a tv market for the likes if Chris Edwards or Ian Napa to headline shows anymore,thats just the way it is.

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Old 05-22-2013, 04:54 PM   #5
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it's a 'foolish' career move these days because of such truths!

there are dozens of great fighters around the country whom could be brought along if steered right and ALLOWED to fight proper opposition that could advance their positions.

but "the Boy(s)" who run the sport wouldn't dare risk their own and certainly not approve of proper matchmaking, elimination bouts or contention rights, only to lose their invested interests.

Boxing has always been like this, but with so many weights & belts is easier to find an opponent of no concern... but the biggest difference is the potentially great fighter & prospect, many get shuned and can't even make a flippen living like in past days when they could, even if they never got near the top.

Of course it effects young prospects, good fighters and hurts boxing terribly!
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Old 05-22-2013, 05:02 PM   #6
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The cut in dates and Sky budget has hurt the amount of money boxers can make in this country no doubt but if Boxins isn`t producing the viewing figures Sky want then unfortunaly I unnderstand why they did that.Hopefully in 18 months there will be more dates avalible and some flexabilty in the budget to give another promoter a chance or to once in awhile.The other Promoters need to step up,wazza has his own channel and some of his fighters are inactive so the bussiness model of box nation isn`t working for domestic fighters imo.I would love Hatton to get a 10 fight a year deal on BT to give Hearn some competion that is servely lacking at the moment.There might not be a tv market for the likes if Chris Edwards or Ian Napa to headline shows anymore,thats just the way it is.
I get all that,the reality was your average British boxing show isn't good enough for a sports channel


But what concerns me is despite there being a lot of shows about,you go from small hall to arena


There will be a waste ground between Hearn and Jeffries,hellraiser or whoever your local shows run by
It's not so much tv that bothers me its the future if there is no tv deal then good shows and fighters are not on


This will heavily influence people who might previously have been interested in supporting boxing through promoting,managing or sponsorship which is so vital
And that's before you get to aspiring boxers,no matter how much they love the sport,how many times do we hear about promising boxers quitting the pro game because of no return for their huge time and effort


I just think boxing needs to learn how to live without tv as that is the future as it stands now
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Boxing is in a transitional period at the moment in the UK. Despite what people on here believe, these TV executives are not stupid. Terrestrial TV, despite decent viewing figures, obviously don't see a significant ROI from Boxing.

Obviously the financial demands from fighters & promoters are not in tune with what the broadcaster is willing to pay. Eventually the promoters will have to get back to the point where there shows generate revenue without TV and things will sort themselves out.

The budget for boxing was slashed on Sky because it wasn't delivering. Its up to Hearn to deliver so that Sky up the budget, which will increase the quantity and quality of the shows and the number of international fights shown. If BT get involved hopefully they will give some new blood a chance. Goldenboy UK or Sauerland UK, rather than recycling the old guard.

I don't think and have never thought a monopoly would be good for boxing, but having 2-3 dominant promoters will be better than having 5-6 in my opinion, and I think its good in the long term if we see Frank, Hennesey & Maloney out of the game.
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Boxing is in a transitional period at the moment in the UK. Despite what people on here believe, these TV executives are not stupid. Terrestrial TV, despite decent viewing figures, obviously don't see a significant ROI from Boxing.

Obviously the financial demands from fighters & promoters are not in tune with what the broadcaster is willing to pay. Eventually the promoters will have to get back to the point where there shows generate revenue without TV and things will sort themselves out.

The budget for boxing was slashed on Sky because it wasn't delivering. Its up to Hearn to deliver so that Sky up the budget, which will increase the quantity and quality of the shows and the number of international fights shown. If BT get involved hopefully they will give some new blood a chance. Goldenboy UK or Sauerland UK, rather than recycling the old guard.

I don't think and have never thought a monopoly would be good for boxing, but having 2-3 dominant promoters will be better than having 5-6 in my opinion, and I think its good in the long term if we see Frank, Hennesey & Maloney out of the game.
I think your right about the old guard


They are dinosaurs and still promote their fighters like its the 70s or 80s


I like hatton,fearon and coldwell as young ex boxers who seem to understand that the Internet is an important tool and that they build a young fighter the old way of making them an attraction as in promoting them not just selling a poor quality product and expecting things to fall in their laps


I see the next few years as being quite different with personnel and product in the uk
The thing is people complain too much time is spent on here talking about promoters but the future for our young fighters is pretty tough and so any talent outside the matchroom stable will find it hard to be active,that affects them when eventually stepping up


God knows what joe Murray thinks about the boxing industry
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it's a 'foolish' career move these days because of such truths!

there are dozens of great fighters around the country whom could be brought along if steered right and ALLOWED to fight proper opposition that could advance their positions.

but "the Boy(s)" who run the sport wouldn't dare risk their own and certainly not approve of proper matchmaking, elimination bouts or contention rights, only to lose their invested interests.

Boxing has always been like this, but with so many weights & belts is easier to find an opponent of no concern... but the biggest difference is the potentially great fighter & prospect, many get shuned and can't even make a flippen living like in past days when they could, even if they never got near the top.

Of course it effects young prospects, good fighters and hurts boxing terribly!
This is a very good post and hits the nail on the head, especially the bolded section....the sport that we love is dying on its feet and all we seem to chat about is TV rights.
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This is a very good post and hits the nail on the head, especially the bolded section....the sport that we love is dying on its feet and all we seem to chat about is TV rights.
can you explain your post further Ice. Doesn't make sense.
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its more than tv channels dont want to show boxing.

look at channel 5, hennessy was getting them big views every event but they still cut him.

sky can take the blame for hattons downfall though
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Of course the irony of this is that post World War II until the early 80s, there was a monopoly in British boxing promotions Duff, Astaire et al. The irony being a young promoter with the initials F and W almost single handily broke this monopoly....
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Tv hurt boxing, ppv non terestrial tv is killing it. Boxing used to be a proper sport like football rugby golf tennis ect. Fighters fought often and were promoted as local attractions, promoters held shows almost weekly and tv was a luxury but not neccessarily needed because fans came out in droves to watch the fight much like they do with all the other sports. Then big tv got involved and big name fighters started fight less often and promoters got lazy relying on tv dates then fighters managers & promoters started cherry picking which pissed off the casual and hardcore fans as a resultt tv viewing figures dropped which left professional in the awful state it is now, a niche sports entertainment business.

Tgats just a brief summary if you were to go into detail you could write a ****ing book. The only boxing that is organized like a real sport is the amateur game, theres no money business or entertainment involved its purely sports competition.

Unfortunately pro boxing will never go back to the way it was and will never opperate like the amateur game so promoters are going to have to get with the times vis the internet, Coldwell has the right idea with his website/app now other promoters have to take it to the next level. Its the only way they can survive
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Tv hurt boxing, ppv non terestrial tv is killing it. Boxing used to be a proper sport like football rugby golf tennis ect. Fighters fought often and were promoted as local attractions, promoters held shows almost weekly and tv was a luxury but not neccessarily needed because fans came out in droves to watch the fight much like they do with all the other sports. Then big tv got involved and big name fighters started fight less often and promoters got lazy relying on tv dates then fighters managers & promoters started cherry picking which pissed off the casual and hardcore fans as a resultt tv viewing figures dropped which left professional in the awful state it is now, a niche sports entertainment business.

Tgats just a brief summary if you were to go into detail you could write a ****ing book. The only boxing that is organized like a real sport is the amateur game, theres no money business or entertainment involved its purely sports competition.

Unfortunately pro boxing will never go back to the way it was and will never opperate like the amateur game so promoters are going to have to get with the times vis the internet, Coldwell has the right idea with his website/app now other promoters have to take it to the next level. Its the only way they can survive
Good post


Promoters rely on tv


They are going to have to learn to live without it
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It would be better if the 6 prizefighter dates were given to Hatton, no prizefighter and no monopoly.
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