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Old 02-20-2008, 01:52 PM   #1
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Don't include modern guys like Whitaker, Mayweather, Toney or Benitez.

Which fighters were the best defensively? (all weight classes)
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:05 PM   #2
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Don't include modern guys like Whitaker, Mayweather, Toney or Benitez.

Which fighters were the best defensively? (all weight classes)
What do you mean by non-modern? Are fighters from the 70's still to be classed modern?
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:45 PM   #3
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Don't include modern guys like Whitaker, Mayweather, Toney or Benitez.

Which fighters were the best defensively? (all weight classes)
In no order
Driscoll
Pep
Loi
B Leonard
Loughran
Johnson
Canto
Tunney
Gans
Attell
a mention for Young Griffo?
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:00 PM   #4
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What do you mean by non-modern? Are fighters from the 70's still to be classed modern?
Ok. Let's only consider fighters pre-1980.
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:00 PM   #5
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In no order
Driscoll
Pep
Loi
B Leonard
Loughran
Johnson
Canto
Tunney
Gans
Attell
a mention for Young Griffo?
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:59 PM   #6
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Jack Johnson............ number 1
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:22 PM   #7
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Rocky Marciano should get a yell. That video I saw of the Rock, I felt like I was watching Willie Pep.
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Locche
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Pep
Duran
Marciano
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:42 AM   #10
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Not including Benitez (whose prime was probably late 70's), I'd say (in no order) :


Nicolino Locche
Young Griffo
Tommy Loughran
Miguel Canto

Willie Pep
Mike Gibbons
Maxie Rosenbloom
Charley Burley
Jim Driscoll
Gene Tunney


Just missing out:


Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran

Billy Graham
Joe Gans
Tommy Ryan
Abe Attell
Ken Buchanan
Jack Johnson
Archie Moore

Duilio Loi
Jack O’Brien

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Old 02-21-2008, 02:06 AM   #11
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In no order
Driscoll
Pep
Loi
B Leonard
Loughran
Johnson
Canto
Tunney
Gans
Attell
a mention for Young Griffo?
what about locche
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Marciano? C'mon guys.

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Old 02-21-2008, 04:27 AM   #13
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Marciano? C'mon guys.

If we take the video that ChrisPontius posted it's clear that some (including me) had overlooked the finer, more subtle amnd surprisingly cunning aspects of Marcianos style defensively speaking.

Despite that, however I think it'd be a tough call to rate him top 10 ever in that regard. Pep, Johnson nad Burley would be my Top 3. The likes of Duran, Tunney and Young Griffo all rank highly too.
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:21 AM   #14
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Despite that, however I think it'd be a tough call to rate him top 10 ever in that regard. Pep, Johnson nad Burley would be my Top 3. The likes of Duran, Tunney and Young Griffo all rank highly too.
Pretty much. Marciano had a better defense than he's given credit for, but to make any top 10 all-time list, you'd have to be a defensive wizard, which clearly The Rock was not.
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what about locche
In the next 10 with Harold Johnson
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