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Old 02-25-2008, 11:24 PM   #1
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Default **** tiger, where do you rank him p4p?

In my opinion is resume is vastly superior to that of hopkins and hagler, where do you rank him on yoru p4p lists. His resume includes wins over:

Jose Torres x2
Giardello x2
Fullmer x2
Benvenuti
Holly Mims
Henry Hank
Florentino Fernandez
Jose Monon Gonzalez
Juan Carlos Rivero
Rubin Carter
Spider Webb


He basically fought the entire murderer's row of contenders during the late 50s-early 60s except for george benton and laslo papp, those were the only 2 major contenders that he didnt fight. Also alot of his losses were early on in his career when he was green.
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:21 AM   #2
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The losses he did have were rarely if ever embarrassing as well... He had an unbelievable chin.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:58 PM   #3
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I appreciate **** Tiger quite a bit...He looks on film to be extremely strong and depite claims to the contrary a very punishing hitter...I've seen film stoppages of some very durable opponents...With one punch... Stylistically, IMO I'd take Tiger over any middleweight who would come at him...If you were going to beat him, you should box him...at a distance! I feel Tiger would have given Robinson and Monzon quite a tussle...Tiger, I feel is stronger than LaMotta, (Robinson better move)and tougher and much better offense than Briscoe...and Monzon experienced trouble with Briscoe. Definitely an ATG!
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:23 PM   #4
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I think he would beat herry greb head to head, i mean he did very well against the swarmers. Like i said before **** tiger fought virtually every middleweight during this murderer's row era except benton and papp. He almost always beat the swarmers and those fights were wars.
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:40 PM   #5
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Default Re: **** tiger, where do you rank him p4p?

I pick Tiger over anyone who tries to punch with him, yes I pick him over Greb.

I have him below Hopkins and Hagler p4p though, in the 80's.
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:00 PM   #6
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I appreciate **** Tiger quite a bit...He looks on film to be extremely strong and depite claims to the contrary a very punishing hitter...I've seen film stoppages of some very durable opponents...With one punch... Stylistically, IMO I'd take Tiger over any middleweight who would come at him...If you were going to beat him, you should box him...at a distance! I feel Tiger would have given Robinson and Monzon quite a tussle...Tiger, I feel is stronger than LaMotta, (Robinson better move)and tougher and much better offense than Briscoe...and Monzon experienced trouble with Briscoe. Definitely an ATG!
Tiger's KO percentage makes zero sense.
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:35 PM   #7
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Would you guys picks him over Calzaghe?
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:42 PM   #8
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Would you guys picks him over Calzaghe?
No. I think Joe is poison to Tiger. Certainly he would outpoint him over 12.
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:55 PM   #9
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Tiger's KO percentage makes zero sense.
Sometimes numbers don't really tell the whole truth...Tiger fought alot of quality opponents.

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No. I think Joe is poison to Tiger. Certainly he would outpoint him over 12.
Joe likes to brawl, but he likes to use movement and quickness to pop in and out and utilize his handspeed to land more frequently when inside. Greb, by the accounts I've read, was similar, though he wasn't as good a boxer. You see him as more of an Armstrong, I see him as more of a Calzaghe, just less of a boxer.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:14 PM   #11
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Would you guys picks him over Calzaghe?
Are you kinda approaching this as a Calzaghe/Greb comparison versus Tiger?...It's hard to say, but I'd lean towards Calzaghe to outpoint Tiger...but only if he boxes at a safe distance, which he would be capable of doing. Tiger applies pressure, but it's a methodical pressure, Joe could keep him turning...giving him angles, and working off those angles with combinations. Given that, I don't feel Tiger would respect his power at all...He may well be the strongest opponent Calzaghe has shared a ring with, and the most durable. IMO Tiger would have some moments with quick counter left hooks, and pressure. If Calzaghe would stay in too close, firing off those combo bursts of his, he may get clocked with some very hard counters... But overall, I honestly feel Calzaghe would elect to keep his distance, and out point Tiger...
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The losses he did have were rarely if ever embarrassing as well... He had an unbelievable chin.
Emile Griffith seemed to understand how to beat Tiger (twice).
Just kinda danced around popping him with the jab.
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