David Tua v.s Joe Louis

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by RAMPAGE0017

A left hook that would plaster Louis when he connected with it.

Louis took some flush shots from Max Baer. There is no reason to imagine that any fighter in history could take him out with a single shot.

A sustained beating at the hands of a fighter who was never a huge puncher to begin with.

Actualy Schmeling was always regarded as one of the hardest punchers of his era.

In any event a knockout resulting from a sustained beating from dose not equate to a fighter being taken out with a single shot by anybody however hard they hit.

[Boro chris]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

No way Tua goes to sleep. He was bigger, stronger, and had a better chin by far than Louis. Louis was the better ATG, but I never have him near the top when it comes to head to head matchups. I think he would outbox Tua though.

I dont care how good a chin you've got. If you get hit properly thats it.
And there never was a more precise hitter than Louis.
I do agree Louis would try to box Tua though. Maybe a ko is not a forgone conclusion.

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by RAMPAGE0017

Lewis had significant advantages against David Tua, and he also respected the fuck out of his power.

He would respect Louis's power after he has landed 70 flush punches to his chin in the first round.

I don't think his offense would be enough to keep Tua off of him,

Hasim Ramhan managed untill Tua cheated by hiting him after the bell. You dont actualy have to be that good to keep Tua off you.

and Louis had only a decent defense at best. I think Tua overwhelms Louis with his sheer power and punch resistance.

He failed to overwhelm or some far lesser fighters than Louis.

[RAMPAGE0017]

[quote=janitor]

Louis took some flush shots from Max Baer. There is no reason to imagine that any fighter in history could take him out with a single shot.

If we're going to talk about Tua being overrated on these boards then Max Baer definitely needs a mention as overrated, as well. I'm sure Max was powerful, but I believe Tua is a lot more powerful, and Max Baer is probably one of the sloppiest heavyweight champions in history.

Originally Posted by janitor

Actualy Schmeling was always regarded as one of the hardest punchers of his era.

I disagree about Schmeling's punching power.

Originally Posted by janitor

In any event a knockout resulting from a sustained beating from dose not equate to a fighter being taken out with a single shot by anybody however hard they hit.

Sure it does. Holyfield knocked down Moorer I believe four times before stopping him, right? Foreman knocked him out with one punch. Just because one guy can't knock him out as quickly as the other it doesn't mean that a harder puncher couldn't put him out easier.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Originally Posted by Assassin

Just like he plastered Hasim Rahman.

Yup.

[RAMPAGE0017]

[quote=janitor]

Hasim Ramhan managed untill Tua cheated by hiting him after the bell. You dont actualy have to be that good to keep Tua off you.

Same can apply for Louis. This is the same guy who was knocked down by Tony Galento, remember. Louis had been knocked down on many other occasions, as well. So Louis was no " master boxer " as some people often romanticize.

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by RAMPAGE0017

If we're going to talk about Tua being overrated on these boards then Max Baer definitely needs a mention as overrated, as well. I'm sure Max was powerful, but I believe Tua is a lot more powerful, and Max Baer is probably one of the sloppiest heavyweight champions in history.

In terms of power he was up there with anybody. I can see no reason for arguing that Tua hit harder.

I disagree about Schmeling's punching power.

Then you disagree with everybody who fought him and all contemporary analysits.

Sure it does. Holyfield knocked down Moorer I believe four times before stopping him, right? Foreman knocked him out with one punch.

But then Schmeling needed 57 flush punches over twelve rounds. A slightly bigger diference than four punches to one.

Just because one guy can't knock him out as quickly as the other it doesn't mean that a harder puncher couldn't put him out easier.

If it takes twelve rounds of flush shots for a powerfull counterpuncher like Schmeling to put Louis away then it is safe to say that Tua is not doing it with one telegraphed swing.

[janitor]

Originally Posted by RAMPAGE0017

Same can apply for Louis. This is the same guy who was knocked down by Tony Galento, remember. Louis had been knocked down on many other occasions, as well. So Louis was no " master boxer " as some people often romanticize.

There are very few heavyweight champions who have not been put on the deck by sombody not fit to lace up their gloves.

Muhamad Ali was knocked down by Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper and Chuck Wepner.

Dose that mean Tua would blast him with a single hook?

[RAMPAGE0017]

Originally Posted by janitor

Dose that mean Tua would blast him with a single hook?

I believe Tua has 10 times the left hook that sloppy Galento does, so yes.

Tua KOs Louis inside 2 rounds.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Originally Posted by janitor

But then Schmeling needed 57 flush punches over twelve rounds. A slightly bigger diference than four punches to one.

Nevertheless, it still shows what the bigger puncher can do.

Originally Posted by janitor

If it takes twelve rounds of flush shots for a powerfull counterpuncher like Schmeling to put Louis away then it is safe to say that Tua is not doing it with one telegraphed swing.

I still disagree. Tua is a bigger puncher than Schmeling, in my judgement.

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by RAMPAGE0017

I believe Tua has 10 times the left hook that sloppy Galento does, so yes.

Tua might have a better left hook than Galento and he might not. One journalist who saw both Tony Galento and Sonny Liston hiting the heavy bag thought that Galento hit harder.

Tua KOs Louis inside 2 rounds.

Again you fail to adress the bigest problem with your prediction.

You need to justify that Louis can even theoreticaly be taken out with a single telegraphed punch. All the evidence points to the contrary.

[hdog]

Tua's best chance would be to fall on Louis on the way down.

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by RAMPAGE0017

Nevertheless, it still shows what the bigger puncher can do.

Only if he is able to consistently land on Louis's chin over 10 rounds or more.

Tua can't do this because he dose not have the technique.

The best that he can hope for is a single lucky hit which all the dat indicates will not be enough.

I still disagree. Tua is a bigger puncher than Schmeling, in my judgement.

Tua has more power than Schmeling but not a hundredth of his boxing skill. That is why he will not be able to land on Louis's chin consistently.

[RAMPAGE0017]

[quote=janitor]

Tua might have a better left hook than Galento and he might not. One journalist who saw both Tony Galento and Sonny Liston hiting the heavy bag thought that Galento hit harder.

I think Tua has a better left hook than Galento, definitely. It's not like journalists aren't known to over-romanticize what they see. Sort've like how people say Louis lifted Galento " a foot " off the canvas with a single punch.



[quote=janitor]

Again you fail to adress the bigest problem with your prediction.

You need to justify that Louis can even theoreticaly be taken out with a single telegraphed punch. All the evidence points to the contrary.

Not necessarily, many people seem to think that Louis can KO Tua, although Tua's never even been close to being taken out. It's all subjective.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Originally Posted by Assassin

Rampage is just using stupid logic with little to no reasoning behind his posts. H. Cooper knocked Ali down with a left hook..judging by his logic..(if the internet had existed in 1963), he'd say Liston would KO him with his left hook.

Yeah, Cooper knocked Ali down, what's your point?

So you don't think Liston couldn't KO Louis? Geez, talk about stupid logic.