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Old 01-01-2014, 05:50 PM   #31
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Ffs don't encourage him, because he'll come out with some garbage about not being as good as Vlad K.
i just want him to continue making a fool of himself
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:47 PM   #32
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who is a much better fighter in the lower weight class? Ali is a 220 pound if he was a middle weight hed be the fastest ever no doubt
Ray Leonard could do more than Ali, imo.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:51 PM   #33
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Oh you know damn well the big long post about why we should all bow down to Vlad is coming soon!
I know.

It wouldn't be so bad if he tried to make a case for Vitali, with his solid chin and punch output. But??????????????

You can just imagine Ali dancing, then changing direction, and completely off balance throwing a lightning fast right hand lead into Vlads face, and the Ukraine thinking FVCK this, and going into his defensive shell. It would be a mismatch.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:06 AM   #34
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There is a case for the 65 - 67 Ali that could dance and avoid getting hit cleanly out pointing any Heavyweight in history. I don't believe it personally, but I can understand why other folks do.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:22 AM   #35
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I don't think Ali can be rated in the top 10.

I think Ali can maybe be rated in the top 20 AT BEST!

I think Ali is the most overrated boxer of any division of all time.

The difference between the "mythical" Ali and the "actual" Ali are so strikingly different that I would even go so far as to say that Muhammad Ali is the most overrated "sportsman" of all time and is right up there with the megalomaniac dictators and key religious figures as being the most overrated "people" of all time!

May I see some of your all-time list?

(Editor note) Please ignore my request. I do not want to see you list on second thought. I wish I could delete my response.
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:02 PM   #36
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maybe theres another muhammad ali too....it is the most popular name in the world after all....that has to explain all this
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:21 PM   #37
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The ACTUAL Ali is the one who beat Liston, Frazier and Foreman.

The mythical Ali is the one who beats every HW in history.

And there's your answer Azzer.
im disappointed in your answer, i was the expecting something a bit more elaborate
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:40 PM   #38
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I don't think Ali can be rated in the top 10.

I think Ali can maybe be rated in the top 20 AT BEST!

I think Ali is the most overrated boxer of any division of all time.

The difference between the "mythical" Ali and the "actual" Ali are so strikingly different that I would even go so far as to say that Muhammad Ali is the most overrated "sportsman" of all time and is right up there with the megalomaniac dictators and key religious figures as being the most overrated "people" of all time!

Are you saying you don't think Ali can be rated in the top 10 HWs, or that you don't think Ali can be rated in the top 10 P4P?
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:04 PM   #39
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Are you saying you don't think Ali can be rated in the top 10 HWs, or that you don't think Ali can be rated in the top 10 P4P?

Pretty sure he doesnt know the difference so dont waste your time!..
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Old 01-02-2014, 07:30 PM   #40
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Again, it depends on what you're looking for in your P4P criteria. Ali has a fair number of "flaws" in his game(the biggest one being an almost non-existent body attack imo), but if you translate his attributes to any given weight he's gotta be in the top ten P4P. Prime Ali had near otherworldly hand and foot speed compared to his competition and combined that with ridiculous toughness, heart, and stamina.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:35 AM   #41
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Yes, most definitely. In my opinion, Ali doesn't have the quality of wins necessary to justify his reputation.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:16 PM   #42
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Ali's definitely top ten pound for pound.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:41 PM   #43
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I have no problem in anyone picking Ali as the best heavyweight ever; it would be hard not to have him in the top 5. My problem comes when people have him best pound for pound. I think there have been much better fighters at lower weights, with greater all round ability. Where would you put Ali in pound for pound terms?
he was the greatst interview i ever saw regardless of sport, or field of entertainment

supposedly with an IQ of 67, could hold his own in a coversation with lawyers of anyone else

and never came across as boring as with today's sports personalities; just so BORING!

even crazy people on interviews are so drab

as a fighter, I've seen better tho. Personally, I have him top 25
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:52 PM   #44
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An IQ of 67 is in the mentally retarded range. I seriously doubt Ali was that unintelligent...

Elroy, on the other hand....
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:00 AM   #45
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Some of his rap like quips were quite witty and he was pretty funny and entertaining at times.

He was also a bit of an ominous character at times particularly with his views on racism and such.

He definitely did not come across as a very intelligent person though.

He was as intelligent as most. Coming out with 'foot in mouth' comments is no reflection on a person's intellect.
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