H2H,who beats a prime Tyson

[PhillyPhan69]

Easy Question!!!!!

1. Ali by decision
2. Holmes by decision
3. Louis by decision (possibly late stoppage 8+ rds)
4. Foreman brutal KO 4 rds
5. Marciano KO 6
6. Dempsey KO 2
7. Frazier KO 8
8. Lewis KO 10
9. Liston KO 4
10. Holyfield KO 9
11. Bowe KO 11

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by The Whaler

I would favor the following heavyweights: Jeffries, Ali, Holyfield, Holmes.

I think Tyson beats Foreman and would have a good chance of beating Liston.

I think Sullivan beats Tyson in a bareknuckle boxing match.

Jeffries would get taken out within a minute.

Depending on the bareknuckle rules, involving clinching, wrestling etc, I am not sure how to call a Sullivan/Tyson matchup, but based on boxing skills, Tyson takes him out within a round as well, and as a matter of fact, that'd be my verdict on that one under any ruleset as well.

I just don't get how people think guys of that era had anywhere near the skillset of modern fighters(or fighters from around the 30's/40's and on) when the difference on film is so clear.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by quest

I can only think of a handful, if that. The first two being Ali and Foreman. Foreman because of Tyson's fear of fighting him from what i heard which was probably put into tyson's head by D'mato. He always said a style like Tyson's would n't work against Foreman just like Fraziers didn't

Not Ali, not Foreman, that's for damn sure.

Guys that would have decent shots would be Holyfield, Ibeabuchi & Bowe due to styles. A peak Holmes has a good shot also, but I'd favour Tyson by TKO all the same, it depends on if Holmes can weather him.

Lewis, if he had a better chin, would be my clear pick over Tyson, but being as it stands, I can't take him because Tyson's going to get him due to his chin.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by McGrain

I'd make Ali, Hollyfield & Liston firm favourites. Others may be slight favourites/50-50 encounters, but these are the three for me.

I think Tyson would beat Foreman.

I'm glad you think Tyson beats Foreman. Just because Foreman starched Frazier, everyone thinks that he can do the same to a faster, more powerful, much better defensive fighter that's going to throw Foreman off terribly.

I think Tyson would get him early also, just like you said you thought Louis would get Foreman early with quick combinations.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Ali, Holmes,and holyfield i would understand but can you please defend the rest of the fighters you picked that can beat a peak Mike Tyson?

He's a major Tyson hater, don't take him seriously on these topics. He thinks the Tyson that lost to Danny Williams was prime and that should count against him in head to head matchups. I don't think he's seen Tyson pre-90, and if he has, he just writes it off as "fighting weak opposition". He's one of those.

[anon1]

holyfield
holmes
ali
foreman
liston
joe louis

favorite but not putting money on it: lennox lewis; joe frazier; jack dempsey

that is 6 for sure and likely 9.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by anon1

holyfield
holmes
ali
foreman
liston
joe louis

favorite but not putting money on it: lennox lewis; joe frazier; jack dempsey

that is 6 for sure and likely 9.

Dempsey, Frazier, Louis?

[JohnThomas1]

I like

Ali
Foreman
Holmes
Lewis
Holyfield

Frazier, Louis ands Liston also have a decent chance i'd say.

[pryorgatti]

Nobody

[slicksouthpaw16]

Muhammed Ali
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson
David Tua
Ike Ibeabuchi
Joe Frazier

All beats peak Tyson.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Foreman gets blasted out.

Exactly, Tyson does what Frazier did to Foreman.

[radianttwilight]

Anyone picking Dempsey or Marciano over Tyson needs to remember that the only natural sub-190lb fighter he ever fought, Michael Spinks (who actually weighed over 200 on fight night and had grown into a proper heavyweight), got absolutely MASHED.

I know, Spinks is no Dempsey/Marciano, but just how often did Tyson fight with a size advantage? He'd have thirty pounds on Marciano and Dempsey.

[PhillyPhan69]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Ali, Holmes,and holyfield i would understand but can you please defend the rest of the fighters you picked that can beat a peak Mike Tyson?

Tyson is good...a top 15 atg...but against top 10 comp....he comes up short.

[janitor]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Yeah but i would smell another Bonecrusher Smith type of fight with Jeffries and Johnson. Boring

That is probably prety much how it would unfold.

They would fight him ugly but their tactics might pay off.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by slicksouthpaw16

Muhammed Ali
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson
David Tua
Ike Ibeabuchi
Joe Frazier

All beats peak Tyson.

You're fast becoming the joke on this forum that you were on the last one.

What does Frazier losing to Foreman have to do with Tyson losing to him? Tyson is MUCH better defensively, much quicker, a better outboxer, and more powerful. He'd undoubtedly be landing a lot more than a guy like Lyle(who had Foreman hurt badly) and he wouldn't be getting hit nearly as much as Frazier. Foreman's lack of skill and defense would be his downfall. Tyson has the speed to pop in and out and the accuracy over Frazier, along with the defense.