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vBookie Event: Ortiz vs. Collazo (Boxing)
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Ortiz vs. Collazo (Boxing)

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Outcome Odds Total Bets Total Staked
Victor Ortiz 8/15 (0.53) 38 19936  
Luis Collazo 7/4 (1.75) 10 2466 WIN!
Draw 20/1 (20.00) 10 482  
Over 8.5 rounds 4/11 F (0.36) 6 2372  
Under 8.5 rounds 2/1 (2.00) 14 3183 WIN!

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Old 01-30-2014, 10:45 AM   #16
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Too bad we can't have a CAT scan of his brain

I sprinkled some VCASH on Victor but you never know when he will have a mental break

Guys who are unstable mentally do extreme things. If they are mentally fragile that night, it only takes a little adversity to discourage them and nothing can get them out of that thinking. But if they are determined that night, they are more determined than the average guy. I think we will see the latter situation for the Tree tonight.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:05 AM   #17
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Guys who are unstable mentally do extreme things. If they are mentally fragile that night, it only takes a little adversity to discourage them and nothing can get them out of that thinking. But if they are determined that night, they are more determined than the average guy. I think we will see the latter situation for the Tree tonight.
Agree.

The X Factor is how each man will respond to his enemy's level of determination on the might. I fully expect both to enter with their dander up knowing they need this W.

From there you have to wonder: as Collazo meets stiffer resistance than he may have thought Ortiz capable of after such a layoff and realizes he maybe oversold himself with his post-Sanchez confidence, will he resign himself back into a sparring partner's (or loser's) mentality as he seemed to have during the long period of mixed success and invariably bad performances after Berto?

Also: when Ortiz realizes that Collazo won't crumble and lay down for him after the first wave of assault, getting increasingly frustrated (and physically and mentally tired) by how embarrassingly ineffective Collazo's defense makes him, will he start puckering for his binky?

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Old 01-30-2014, 11:20 AM   #18
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Agree.

The X Factor is how each man will respond to his enemy's level of determination on the might. I fully expect both to enter with their dander up knowing they need this W.

From there you have to wonder: as Collazo meets stiffer resistance than he may have thought Ortiz capable of after such a layoff and realizes he maybe oversold himself with his post-Sanchez confidence, will he resign himself back into a sparring partner's (or loser's) mentality as he seemed to have during the long period of mixed success and invariably bad performances after Berto?

Also: when Ortiz realizes that Collazo won't crumble and lay down for him after the first wave of assault, getting increasingly frustrated (and physically and mentally tired) by how embarrassingly ineffective Collazo's defense makes him, will he start puckering for his binky?

I think Collazo's style will make Ortiz determined. What I mean by that is Collazo isn't a pressure fighter so he won't test Ortiz's mettle like Maidana and Lopez did. Collazo will try to box and counter while Ortiz will be the one pressing the action.

As long as Ortiz isn't being countered with Floyd like precision, I think he will be confident and determined. I don't think Collazo can hurt him unless if he times a perfect counter with Ortiz rushing in. But Ortiz is the bigger, stronger, and faster man and I think will be more determined. In a 10 round fight, I think he should win by outworking Collazo.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:34 AM   #19
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I think Collazo's style will make Ortiz determined. What I mean by that is Collazo isn't a pressure fighter so he won't test Ortiz's mettle like Maidana and Lopez did. Collazo will try to box and counter while Ortiz will be the one pressing the action.

As long as Ortiz isn't being countered with Floyd like precision, I think he will be confident and determined. I don't think Collazo can hurt him unless if he times a perfect counter with Ortiz rushing in. But Ortiz is the bigger, stronger, and faster man and I think will be more determined. In a 10 round fight, I think he should win by outworking Collazo.
He did hurt Berto (who in their slug fest proved to be about equally as durable - or not - as Ortiz) doing almost exactly that.

Is he mentally steeled for ten hard rounds of work, or is he thinking Collazo is old with shot reflexes and susceptible to getting smashed out by the halfway point? If he is thinking along those lines, and he is dumb enough not to put it past him, the failure of his Plan A when he runs into Collazo's tricky moves causing him to miss badly and often might crack his bravado like a karate board.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:37 AM   #20
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He did hurt Berto (who in their slug fest proved to be about equally as durable - or not - as Ortiz) doing almost exactly that.

Is he mentally steeled for ten hard rounds of work, or is he thinking Collazo is old with shot reflexes and susceptible to getting smashed out by the halfway point? If he is thinking along those lines, and he is dumb enough not to put it past him, the failure of his Plan A when he runs into Collazo's tricky moves causing him to miss badly and often might crack his bravado like a karate board.
Wouldn't shock me one bit of Collazo outboxes him and makes Ortiz look somewhat silly.
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Old 01-30-2014, 02:51 PM   #21
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all in WARtiz, easy money.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:14 PM   #22
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Damn this hotel in Savannah, GA does not have Fox sports

IB, will there be a RD by RD tonight for this fight so I can keep up with the action

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Damn this hotel in Savannah, GA does not have Fox sports

IB, will there be a RD by RD tonight for this fight so I can keep up with the action

You bet.

(bookie pun intended )
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:10 PM   #25
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You bet.

(bookie pun intended )

Nice touch
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Collazo is one of those fighters that don't get a break, even if he outboxes Ortiz he will likely not get the decision. I would be very surprised if he did.
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Good job IB and Drew, you guys are great at calling fights.
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Ib, can you do the GGG fight? I need to get some of my vcash back.
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:23 AM   #29
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Ib, can you do the GGG fight? I need to get some of my vcash back.
There isn't going to be a Golovkin vs. Adama thread.

Golovkin is 1/25; Adama 18/1.

(and 1/25 is the most generous available; some books have 1/50 with the average being around 1/35 or 1/40...)
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Wow, I figured this would be another Collazo/Hatton. Didn't get the chance to be.
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