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Old 02-14-2014, 02:09 PM   #1
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Default Chris Weidman is a paper champion for now.

Chris weidman - good fighter. Illegitimate champion.
First fight - Anderson silva beat silva. Not Chris weidman. Any person could have knocked out Anderson with the degree of clowning he did on that night (No, Anderson never clowned that much in previous fights vs Maia or Griffin). Weidman knocking out Anderson in that circumstance with his hands down is like a random hoodlum knocking out someone in a wheelchair.
Second fight - freak accident beat silva. Not weidman.

Silva, Weidman, and every sensible human being KNOWS, not thinks, that the first "victory" was a fluke and the second "victory" was an accident.

Until weidman beats jacare vitor or machida in normal circumstances he cannot be seen as a legitimate champion. For now he is simply a blind squirrel who happened to find a nut. Twice.

What has been written is irrefutable FACT. Not opinion. I challenge any human being to find fault with what has been written. Again, this is NOT an opinion. It is supported by FACTUAL evidence.

Keep in mind that foolishly saying that weidman is legitimate since he won both first rounds in fight 1 and 2 is a fallacious argument.

Sonnen beat broken ribs silva in rounds 1-4 in the first fight and rd 1 in the second before being showed up as a bum with a mouth that works a lot better than his skills.

Brock lesnar also choked Shane carwin after being viciously beaten in round 1. To use this foolish argument will only prove ones own incompetence.

Shane Mosley whipped the overrated Floyd Mayweather for 2 rounds before getting shut out the rest of the way. There are numerous examples where winning the first round or two means nothing. Floyd Mayweather, like Anderson, has been in several fights where he loses the first round or two, and then proceeds to dominate the remainder of the match. The acorns that the blind squirrel Weidman found in the first rounds of both matches do not legitimize him as a champion.

It is interesting to note that prior to Weidman's title shot against Silva, there was very little support behind him. But when a blind squirrel stumbled across one acorn by chance - all hell breaks loose and all of a sudden millions and millions of blind sheep begin to automatically follow the herd behind Weidman without even using logical thinking. I fear that these blind sheep have been stumbling in the dark for so long, that even opening their eyes to the light of truth may not be enough to save them from the blindly wandering herd. Still, it is a risk worth taking.

Attempting to use Weidman's good performances in the first rounds of both fights as validation of his "championship status" will only prove one's own incompetence and ignorance. Those first rounds prove only this - Weidman is a good fighter who can be a tough matchup for Silva. It does not prove that Weidman is the clearly superior fighter in head to head competition. In the same way that Silva has not done enough to surpass Emelianenko as the pound for pound G.O.A.T, Weidman has not done enough to be cosidered a legitimate champion. For now, the Middleweight division has no true champion. Weidman's next fight is his TRUE title shot, and not a title defense. Just because Weidman holds the belt doesnt mean anything. Vitor Belfort also held the belt after cutting/TKOing Randy Couture - that does not make him any more legitimate of a champion than Chris Weidman. Holding the belt does not preclude one from being a paper champion.

It is interesting how hypocritical several of these Weidman "fans" (bandwagoners is a better term - since no one even knew who this kid was a few months ago) are quick to defend Weidman as a legitimate champ, but I doubt any of them would make an objection to the fact that Vitor was an illegitimate champ due to his fluke cut victory over Randy Couture in a title fight.

How can they claim Weidman is legitimate as a champion while simultaneously ignoring Vitor's fluke performance vs Randy in the title match where Vitor won due to a fluke cut? You can have it one way or the other but you cannot say Weidman is a legitimate champion whereas Vitor is illegitimate - they both won titles with fluke performances - therefore they are both illegitimate champs - one cannot be a legitimate champ while the other is not. As proven before, both Vitor's and Weidman's performances in all title fight victories were flukes, so they are both paper champions for now.

One cannot say - oh well Chris KOd Anderson and broke his leg, that makes him legitimate. Vitor caused the cut on Randy's face - that doesnt make him legitimate. Nor do Weidman's flukes make Weidman anything more than a paper champion - just like his master of flukes mentor Matt Serra, who disappeared after having his 15 minutes of fame.

It doesnt matter that Chris finished Anderson - that does not make him a legitimate champ because of the circumstances surrounding the finishes - fluke accident and clowning around. Vitor also finished Randy Couture - does that make him a legitimate champ because of a fluke cut? No. Oh well you might say well Chris KOd Anderson - because he won by knockout he's not a paper champ. That is false. Vitor also TKOd Randy in his fight. Thats technically a knockout. Just because Vitor technically KOd Randy does not make him legitimate just like Weidman is illegitimate as a champ. Regardless of how you look at it both Weidman and Belfort are paper champions. Weidman knocking out Anderson in that circumstance with his hands down is like a random hoodlum knocking out someone in a wheelchair - it has little value. Holding the belt does not preclude one from being a paper champion.

Chris only won because 1) Anderson was clowning and 2) Divine powers from heaven made Anderson's leg break in a freak accident. If you think Weidman is a legitimate champ, then you are saying Vitor is also legitimate because Vitor was the cause for Randy's cut appearing on his face indirectly making him the champ, just like 1) Weidman was indirectly responsible for KOing Anderson when in reality Anderson was responsible for his own loss due to clowning, 2) Weidman indirectly caused a freak accident making him win by default. If you actually do think either Belfort or Weidman are legitimate champs, then that only proves your own incompetence and ignorance, just like Weidman has proved his own ignorance in legitimately believing the farce that he is a real champion as of today.

I have attempted to open the eyes of blind sheep following the herd behind Weidman (and Belfort), and I am aware that after these sheep have been blindly following the herd behind Weidman and Belfort for so long, they will vehemently deny the truth after being exposed to it. But, eventually, the truth will set them free. Those who are not incompetent or ignorant, that is. What has been written is IRREFUTABLE UNDENIABLE INDISPUTABLE UNCONTESTABLE NONSUBJECTIVE UNQUESTIONABLE FLAWLESS FACT (not opinion or conjecture in the slightest). So good luck to anyone who disagrees with this flawless masterpiece of the highest wisdom possible.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:29 AM   #2
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Which forum you just been banned from?
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:46 PM   #3
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Weidman has 2 wins over Anderson Silva and has therefore already got a better resume. Silva looked good against no hopers that were fooled by his mystique but Chris dominated the two first rounds of their fights in 10-8 territory. Go up to your room and watch Enter The Dragon and pretend it's real until your mum tells you your dinner is ready.
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:57 PM   #4
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Well i'm not quite ready to read a thesis like that, maybe take some time off work. LOL

But from the title and skimming a bit I know you are batshit crazy.

Weidman has everything going for him at this point, he looks almost unbeatable. Watch Vitor get ground into dust when they fight, and revisit your ludicrous opinions, as clearly no one is going to convince you otherwise (not even your psychologist), so why even post to discuss it.
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:04 PM   #5
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What an absolutely tremendous post from the right honourable gentleman Mr I Know Everythin, supporting his irrefutable facts with cold hard empirical evidence, oh the detractors don't know what to do when presented with the sweet nectar of truth. Every man and his dog knows the only person who can beat Anderson 'The Spider' Silva is Anderson 'The Spider' Silva. It says it all that he was only beaten when clowning like he was a headline circus act and after suffering the most unfortunate of injuries a fighter could ever have the misfortune of suffering. It's almost like this fighting game is too easy for someone with the superlative talents only Anderson 'The Spider' Silva possesses. Godspeed Anderson, ESB salutes you.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:43 PM   #6
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It will be interesting to see how Weidman does in the next year or two. He is viewed by many as an illegitimate champion. It isn't his fault Silva clowned in the first fight. It is half his fault for Silva breaking his leg though, that and Silva taking a somewhat bad angle to deliver the kick. People not used to seeing fights end like that, doesn't mean having a hand in breaking your opponents leg isn't a legit way to win.
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Old 02-21-2014, 04:10 AM   #7
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Those two wins are totally legit and solid.

Not only Silva got dominated and beaten throughout both fights until the stoppages, but he was also clowning and raging because he already knew that Weidman was a solid, all around complete fighter.
He also knew that he was there for winning.

Every aspect of the first and the second fight brings to the conclusion that even going the distance, Weidman would have won.

Silva's chin got exposed for being pretty weak. In their second fight, he got knoccked down by what was pretty much a slap.
Without watching the slow motion, and seeing Silva's eyes rolling back for a second while falling, one wouldn't believe that this weak punch hurt him. But it did.

Silva has always had a lot of defensive flaws and opens; Weidman was just the one that showed them more.

And the leg broken in the rematch.....
Kicks were the only weapon working in Silva's arsenal, so he was sticking to kicks in spite of the fact that already in their first figt months before Weidman hard-checked various ones, and that he publicly stated that he was training specificly about leg checks for the rematch against a kicker.

The doctor said Silva's leg was probably fractured on one of the earlier checks, but snapped only in the following ones.

So Silva knew it was hurt, and knew Weidman was focused on checks.

Why did he continued kicking?

For two reasons: pride and desperation.

Pride: Silva kicked back showing arrogance every single time Weidman tried to kick him.
Kinda like "you may be the best grappler, but i'm the best kicker".
Very predictable. And very amateurish.

Desperation: Weidman was a costant threath, always ready to grapple, dangerous with the punches. Constantly pressuring.
Silva's only way to keep him at bay and score some points were kicks.
Even if the leg hurt. Even if it hurt really much. Even if it hurt already months earlier in the first match.

One of the basic rules of kicking against a decent defensive fighter is you don't kick without setting up the kick.
Amateurish stuff, once again.


But that being said, i too think Weidman is still not completely sold.
Silva has always been overrated, fighting rude clueless fighters.
It's important to see how he'll progress.
Silva's only hope is that at least Weidman shows up to be one of the greatest.
Silva can only hope Weidman doesn't look poor against Belfort, or whoever else.
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:38 AM   #8
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Look at Silva's resume in the UFC. His title run was against a weak division. Silva was the best of them, but the biggest stars in the UFC were not at that weight class.

Silva's biggest wins were against an old Dan Henderson, an inconsistant Vitor Belfort, and a fan favorite with more heart than skill Forrest Griffin. He has not fought any big names in their prime.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:34 PM   #9
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Silva has a glass jaw.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:21 AM   #10
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I can't believe I sat and read all of that..

This guy is bat shit crazy, lmfao.
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Old 02-26-2014, 03:21 AM   #11
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Chris weidman will run through belfort, machida, jacare, step up to 205 and win the belt there.
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:29 PM   #12
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Silvas record against Weidman. These are the irrefutable facts.


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Old 03-04-2014, 02:42 PM   #13
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Silva had 2 fights with Weidman, in both fights he was beat up in the first round easily and in the second round in both fights left the ring in a stretcher or being helped out because he was ktfo. Silva had nothing for Weidman in both fights except a couple leg kicks he landed in the first fight which Weidman had obviously trained for by the result of the second fight.
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:50 PM   #14
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haha this guy is insane
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:32 PM   #15
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Bob Arum will die before mma will..... I've been hearing that since 2006 but yet its still hanging around.
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