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Old 03-02-2008, 08:40 PM   #16
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Shultz, and Bentt should rate. Byrd does not belong on the list.
Bentt never held any of the titles in question.

Was Schulz champion ?
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Old 03-02-2008, 08:46 PM   #17
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Bowe blew out an ungodly amount of good fighters.

It was almost his signature talent.
And what were Seldon's achievements "years before" he took that dive against Tyson ?

He beat a horribly washed-up Tucker (who I never thought particularly special to begin with), he beat that tubby guy Hipp, and who else ? Ribalta ?
Got KO'd' by McCall.
This is just from memory.
You'll have to remind me what Seldon did.
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Old 03-02-2008, 08:58 PM   #18
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Seldon had a LOT of power, an unbelievable jab, a decent chin, and in his prime heart.
Sounds like a top 15 ATG heavyweight.
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Old 03-02-2008, 09:02 PM   #19
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And what were Seldon's achievements "years before" he took that dive against Tyson ?

He beat a horribly washed-up Tucker (who I never thought particularly special to begin with), he beat that tubby guy Hipp, and who else ? Ribalta ?
Got KO'd' by McCall.
This is just from memory.
You'll have to remind me what Seldon did.
He did more than to deserve the being number one on that list.

I seem to remember Lennox having a LOT of trouble against a "washed up" Tucker.
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Old 03-02-2008, 10:48 PM   #20
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there is a difference between potential and accomplishment.

regarding Seldon and Tucker.
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:21 AM   #21
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He did more than to deserve the being number one on that list.
SOMEONE has to top the list, I had to designate someone as "the worst".
You're free to tell me who you think was worse than Seldon.

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I seem to remember Lennox having a LOT of trouble against a "washed up" Tucker
I think Lewis is overrated. But I cant remember him being troubled much by Tucker. Even Lewis's fans dont heavily rate the Tucker win though.

Thing is, Seldon's best win is probably the win over Tucker, who didn't even deserve to be top-10 ranked by that time, IMO.
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:33 AM   #22
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Byrd does not belong on the list.
He won his VACANT title against a 41 year old Holyfield.
Was lucky to get a gift decision against Fres Oquendo, IMO.
He couldn't punch, and beat some very unimpressive challengers, in unimpressive manner.
I thought he was a bit of a joke as a "champion".
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Old 03-03-2008, 02:21 AM   #23
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WBC-Maskaev has been a terrible belt holder. 1 fight in 18 months and that was against optional Peter Ohkello

He's a decent sized underdog against the goat herder so his 'reign' might come to an end.
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Old 03-03-2008, 05:44 AM   #24
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I seem to remember Lennox having a LOT of trouble against a "washed up" Tucker.
Well, i guess it's time to refresh your memory and rewatch that fight then. Lewis knocked Tucker down and won just about every round. A clear domination if i've ever seen one. Tucker had a grand total of two moments when he got off some punches, and both times, Lewis came back the same round and hurt him.
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Ken Norton should be on the list. He couldn't even win the title in a fight, only by sanctioning bodies manipulations.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:31 AM   #26
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Ranging from 1 - absolute worst, to 10 - mediocre

1. Bruce Seldon
2. John Ruiz
3. Francois Botha
4. Hasim Rahman
5. Oleg Maskaev
6. Oliver McCall
7. Nicolay Valuev
8. Chris Byrd
9. Frank Bruno
Bonecrusher Smith (tied)

Dishonourable mention : Tony Tucker
Ruiz is underrated he shouldnt top this list. Most fans had him beating Valuev and Chagaev past his prime. He beat Rahman, Golota, Holyfield, Johnson. Decent resume all in all.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:56 AM   #27
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Ken Norton should be on the list. He couldn't even win the title in a fight, only by sanctioning bodies manipulations.
Didn't Spinks avoid Norton for the tilte? Yes, he did. Otherwise Norton drills Neon Spinks, and becomes champion in the ring.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:57 AM   #28
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Ruiz is underrated he shouldnt top this list. Most fans had him beating Valuev and Chagaev past his prime. He beat Rahman, Golota, Holyfield, Johnson. Decent resume all in all.
No, Ruiz did not beat Chagaev. Chagaev won that fight.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:18 AM   #29
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Didn't Spinks avoid Norton for the tilte? Yes, he did. Otherwise Norton drills Neon Spinks, and becomes champion in the ring.
FACT: Norton did not win the title in a fight, he was awarded it by a sanctioning body instead.
No irrelevant excuses will change this fact.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:27 AM   #30
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I think Ken Norton was jobbed out of the REAL championship in the 1976 fight with Muhammad Ali.
And even if he didn't win the WBC in the ring, he made a spirited defense of it against a prime Holmes (close fight).

So, I think Norton was pretty good.
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