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Old 04-07-2014, 02:33 AM   #46
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^ conveniently ignoring the "lightweight" bit.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:40 AM   #47
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Umm, why exactly are you making this point to me?

I never said that, I haven't watched too much of De Jesus, so I'd be the last to make conclusions on anything to do with him.

Benitez is one of my favorite all time fighters though, and he certainly was not feather fisted. He had proper power when he sat down on his shots.
true say, but it seems you only pick up on criticism of floyd. i agree his power is underrated, but in this thread the outrageous claim is benitez lacked.

regards duran, farmboxer stated he was greatest lw, all of your examples were from higher divisions. his win over srl is possibly the greatest of my lifetime.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:44 AM   #48
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This board has probably reached a new low with this. Duran "the Ricky Hatton of his day"
I'm out of here.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:51 AM   #49
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Great, a legend but he gets too overrated around these parts.

People make him out to be some unbeatable man but he had his weaknesses. A pure boxer was his kryptonite. Mayweather would have outboxed him, even Ray Charles could see that.
lmao.

nothing in pedjr's resume says he can hang out with a duran, let alone beat him.

pedjr is pure boxer against bums, against duran he is gonna get knfo.


got outboxed by castillo now he can beat duran.
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:01 AM   #50
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This thread is heresy!!!!
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:13 AM   #51
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This board has probably reached a new low with this. Duran "the Ricky Hatton of his day"
I'm out of here.
This place really is the pits. The amount of stupidity on here is crazy, even compared to the peak of the "pactard-flomo" days. If you told me that half of the posters on here is just one guy with a bunch of alts arguing with himself, I'd believe you.
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:15 AM   #52
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wow. Troll city here.

Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time, period. He even won some very major fights after moving up. The Barkely fight ranks as one of his great wins, at 38 no less.
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:19 AM   #53
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Because of his achievements during the 1970's and 1980's.

A lot of fans always talk about the big fights he had in the 80's, but IMO he was even more impressive in the 70's when he was in his absolute prime (1976-1979.) He only lost once at 135 lbs and was able to avenge it. At 135 lbs, he was one of the greatest fighters ever lb for lb- very powerful, good jab, excellent head movement and was able to box guys from a distance or make it a phone booth fight inside the pocket, an area which he was elite in. He was very deserving for fighter of the decade honors of the 1970's. His career in the 70's alone makes him an ATG.

By the time he took on Leonard in 1980 in Montreal, Duran's record was around 72-1 going into that fight. You can make a case he was just coming out of his prime at that point.

And what he did in the 80's sealed his fate as an almost universally recognized top 10-15 P4P fighter ever when beat a young and undefeated Leonard, stopped an unbeaten champ (although he was still a green fighter) in Davey Moore at JMW, went 15 rounds in a tight fight with Marvelous Hagler (who at that juncture seemed like an invincible fighter,) and than beat Iran Barkley for his MW title.

He was one of the very best, no question.
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:28 AM   #54
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no doubt duran was great but you cant hold him in a high regard as leonard hearns hagler or the likes.the others you could put in with todays fighters and they would still be great.duran was basically the ricky hatton of his day,great but not elite
No comparison between Duran and Hatton. Duran had a more spectacular career than Leonard, Hearns and Hagler. Roberto Duran as a lightweight was one of the fiercest fighting machines to ever grace a boxing ring. Strength, power, ring craft, granite chin, tight elusive defence, sheer pressure and a will to win which bested the worlds best boxers. He is arguably along with Benny Leonard the greatest lightweight ever. He moved up to welterweight and defeated Leonard, other great wins over Pipino Cuevas, Carlos Palomino, Davey Moore followed before challenging arguably the worlds best ever middleweight in Hagler to an excellent competitive contest. People forget Duran was a lightweight. Duran did have losses on his card but they were largely due to his preparation skills which varied depending on who he was fighting. The man was a legend.
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:45 AM   #55
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true say, but it seems you only pick up on criticism of floyd. i agree his power is underrated, but in this thread the outrageous claim is benitez lacked.

regards duran, farmboxer stated he was greatest lw, all of your examples were from higher divisions. his win over srl is possibly the greatest of my lifetime.
Well I guess I just mentioned Floyd's power being underrated, since the topic was brought up. So many people call him feather fisted, I find it ridiculous, so I finally mentioned it. I wonder what the hell people are watching sometimes, you know?

You do have a fair point on Duran, his lightweight resume is impressive. But at the very least, can we agree Leonard belongs ahead of Duran on the ATG list, no matter what? How many truly elite fighters do you think Duran beat at lightweight? I'm interested to hear your opinions here. Records don't matter to me, too many can crushers out there (not calling Duran one) all I look at is the quality of wins honestly. So how many great fighters do you think he beat there? I certainly can think of people I'd pick to beat any version of the lightweight Duran, Alexis Arguello comes to mind instantly.

Oh, and let me state the obvious, as I'm not trying to bullshit anyone. I'm a huge Ray Leonard fan, and think he was miles ahead of Duran as a fighter. Yeah Duran won the first one, but Leonard's ego cost him the fight, he fought the most stupid fight possible, all to prove a point. I think the last 2 fights between them showed who was better. I don't care what condition people claim Duran was in for the 2nd fight, a prime Leonard fighting him smart like he did the second time humiliates Duran any time, period. Leonard was faster, better footwork, better hand speed, better at nearly everything. I provided their resumes vs similar competition to show that Leonard was clearly superior. Seeing people put Duran ahead of Leonard on the ATG list is ridiculous to me. Benitez and Hearns are two people Leonard knocked out, who made easy work of Duran for example.

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This board has probably reached a new low with this. Duran "the Ricky Hatton of his day"
I'm out of here.
Yeah, that was an absolutely moronic statement. I'm certainly of the opinion that Duran is overrated, I've always been a harsh critic of him. However, only a true ignoramus could say he wasn't an ATG, because he most certainly is. Nobody, not even Hatton's biggest fans, consider him an ATG, Duran was better in every single facet. I still stand firm that Duran is overrated by the majority, but Ricky Hatton doesn't hold a candle to Duran's accomplishments.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:32 AM   #56
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Duran was great. In my opinion greater than srl and hearns or hagler his resume speaks for itself.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:37 AM   #57
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I mean Hatton moved up to Welterweight and struggled against Collazzo,was stopped by Floyd.
Could you imagine Hatton moving up and beating Sugar Ray Leonard,then a big tough middleweight in Iran Barkley,then running probably one of the three best ever middles Hagler close?
Then this clown says Duran was the Ricky Hatton of his day.?
Apart from the fact that offensively and defensively Duran was infinitely a superior fighter than Hatton.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:48 AM   #58
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even if duran were active today we would never know who'll beat who because floyd won't have the balls.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:06 AM   #59
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cyrax: i find it instructive that you're happy to excuse srl his ego but not duran his condition. if srl was better at nearly everything he would win regardless of ego, their 1st fight is evidence to suggest otherwise.

i don't go for lb4lb lists in a big way, but feel as a fan of both duran shades srl.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:32 AM   #60
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cyrax: i find it instructive that you're happy to excuse srl his ego but not duran his condition. if srl was better at nearly everything he would win regardless of ego, their 1st fight is evidence to suggest otherwise.

i don't go for lb4lb lists in a big way, but feel as a fan of both duran shades srl.
Despite Leonard going toe to toe, giving up all footwork in fight 1, just to prove a point, Duran BARELY inks a decision. Leonard fights his fight, and absolutely smokes Duran, utterly humiliates him. Duran literally quit, because he was so utterly humiliated. When all the cards were in Duran's favor, he hardly scraped a decision. When the cards were even, he gets humiliated, so yeah I do favor Leonard. This isn't to mention Leonard got a detatched retina later in his career, fought Duran for a third time before retiring, and beat him again. Simply by observing, you can see Leonard was superior to Duran, but he has the flat numbers too, beat him 2 out of 3.

Leonard knocked out Benitez and Hearns. Benitez schools Duran, makes him look like a novice in there, beats him with ease. Duran couldn't even last two rounds against Hearns, before he got knocked out cold.

There really should be no doubt who the superior fighter is. Leonard dominated Duran in two out of three matches. Performances against common opponents are telling, Leonard dominated common opponents between the two, while Duran got his rear end spanked by the same guys. Another common opponent? None other than Marvin Hagler. Leonard beat him straight out of coming back from a 3+ year retirement. Duran faced Hagler too, and lost of course, just like he did against the others. Leonard was the absolute star, the true alpha of the FAB 4, Duran was the punching bag for the other 3 guys in the FAB 4.

Leonard is much better than Duran, there is no question.
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