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Old 04-09-2014, 05:20 PM   #16
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My bad, I thought this was a H2H tourney, didn't know it was about who ranks higher for old geezers and boxing historians

So let's exclude one of the hardest punchers and most accomplished MW amateurs ever and include mostly shrimps from the early past century, even if we've barely seen fight some of them
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:21 PM   #17
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I think he easily holds that distinction. He had an unbelievable career - second only to SRR on my all-time list.
Agree with part 1.

Don't agree with part 2. He's certainly up there somewhere among boxing's best, and a true legend, but I just can't rate him ahead of guys like Ezzard Charles or Archie Moore. Based on who he fought and the results, I just can't as much as I love Langford.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:22 PM   #18
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Greb
SRR
Monzon
MMH
Freddie Steele
BHop
RJJ
Fulmer
Tiger
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:22 PM   #19
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Okay, if we're picking 10;

Monzon
Greb
Hagler
SRR
Langford
Ketchell
Walker
RJJ
Lamotta
Hopkins
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:25 PM   #20
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none of you have seen Greb fighting ffs

this tourney will be a farce
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:27 PM   #21
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Sorry I thought this was a H2H tourney, didn't know it was about who ranks higher for old geezers and boxing historians

so let's exclude one of the hardest punchers and most accomplished MW amateurs ever and include mostly shrimps from the early past century
So for the Featherweight tourney, must they include Lomachenko to be taken seriously?

Amateur pedigree means nothing. Zero. It's a different sport with different rules and different weight classes.

In order to rank high on a H2H list, you have to have proven your H2H abilities against a fighter worthy of some respect among the all time Middleweight scene. Matthew Macklin, Gabriel Rosado, Osumana Adama, Nobuhiro Ishida, and Grzegorz Proksa aren't anything notable in this era, let alone compared to eras past.

Sorry, but your argument dies before it even gets started.

You talking about Middleweight legends as "shrimps" = cool story.

You mentioning Golovkin as a top 10 H2H MW at this point in time of 2014 = epic, epic fail.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:28 PM   #22
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none of you have seen Greb fighting ffs

this tourney will be a farce
Unless they include Gennady Golovkin!!!!!! Right?!?
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:31 PM   #23
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So based just on footage -

01 - Sugar Ray Robinson
02 - Carlos Monzon
03 - Marvin Hagler
04 - Bernard Hopkins
05 - Charley Burley
06 - Roy Jones
07 - Dick Tiger
08 - Freddie Steele
09 - James Toney
10 - Fred Apostoli
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:36 PM   #24
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Hell at MW you could put 16 to 32 fighters in the mix
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:37 PM   #25
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Golovkin doesn't belong anywhere NEAR an all-time H2H MW tournament. All of the other fighters that have been listed here would beat him, and quite easily, too.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:39 PM   #26
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Harry Greb
Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Robinson
Marvin Hagler
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr.
Freddie Steele
Jake LaMotta
Dick Tiger
Stanley Ketchel
Charley Burley (repping for "The Row")
Marcel Cerdan
Tony Zale
Les Darcy
James Toney
Teddy Yaroscz
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:42 PM   #27
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Hell at MW you could put 16 to 32 fighters in the mix
Already did, and left out a bunch of guys that could have warranted inclusion pretty easily.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:44 PM   #28
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you have to include ggg if your tourney is serious
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:47 PM   #29
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:47 PM   #30
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Haven't got these as a pure P4P but just the 10 I think would be great for this tourney, love these by the way Demigawd, banter-enducing stuff:

Roy Jones Jr
Hagler
'Nard
Langford
Ketchel
Sergio Martinez
Eubank Sr.
Sugar Ray Robs
Monzon

Last place to any pick from LaMotta, Burley, Dick Tiger ......pffff....can't put Greb in there (sorry Harry I'm sure you would have held your own and then some)....Fitzsimmons same, can't go in.....uh......fuggit:

Dick Tiger #10.
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