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Old 07-26-2007, 05:05 PM   #61
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look at the 5 min mark there is a quotation from his doctor this was the guy i was telling you about
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:07 PM   #62
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the men who beat him wer men were big but stood in your way ali was fleet footed the first time and became much more flat footed and more a harder target to move away.

lewis was an amazing infighter wlad and vitali are not they are outside fighters launching the firearms form miles away...this would get beaten by a springing left hook.
Ali is definetly more agile, but his punches is so much weaker than those big guy's and Frasier never afraid those punches.

I hope there is someday Wlad vs Tua,that i can prove how difficult is to go inside, skilled bigger fighter. Tua's left hook is also very good and height is same than Joe's
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:16 PM   #63
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I hope there is someday Wlad vs Tua,that i can prove how difficult is to go inside, skilled bigger fighter. Tua's left hook is also very good and height is same than Joe's
It is one thing to keep Tua on the outside but quite another to keep a polished infighter like Frazier on the outside.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:21 PM   #64
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It is one thing to keep Tua on the outside but quite another to keep a polished infighter like Frazier on the outside.
tua likes to be in the mid range so his left hook sis precise but if your on the inside of him his left hook and righthand are weakend bec uase they dont have the "throw" like he did against moorer or ruiz.

frazier would piledrive through you thtas the difference he never got tangled up if they did he would just fight his way out
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:26 PM   #65
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It is one thing to keep Tua on the outside but quite another to keep a polished infighter like Frazier on the outside.
Surely, but Frasier was never real moving miracle like ali was and i think wlad move quite well novadays. Of course i dont directly compare Frasier and Tua!

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Old 07-26-2007, 05:27 PM   #66
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look at the 5 min mark there is a quotation from his doctor this was the guy i was telling you about
You do have to ask what Frazier could have done if he had two working eyes and a healthy body.

He did enough as it is.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:30 PM   #67
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Surely, but Frasier was never real moving miracle like ali was
Depends what you mean.

Fraziers head movment and ability to slip punches was awsome. He had no equal at heavyweight except Jack Dempsey.

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and i think wlad move quite well novadays.
I am verry interested in Wlads progress but it is a case of wait and see.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:39 PM   #68
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Depends what you mean.

Fraziers head movment and ability to slip punches was awsome. He had no equal at heavyweight except Jack Dempsey.



I am verry interested in Wlads progress but it is a case of wait and see.
Frasiers head movement was avesome, but if opponent move backwards same time you cannot get inside, or hug him

Wlad is novadays much more boring fighter, but also more effective. Good or bad, i dunno...
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:46 PM   #69
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Frasiers head movement was avesome, but if opponent move backwards same time you cannot get inside, or hug him
In order to hit Wlad would have to expose himself to Frazier getting inside.

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Wlad is novadays much more boring fighter, but also more effective. Good or bad, i dunno...
I believe that he could be presented with a stylistic en passe by Frazier.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:12 PM   #70
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Definitely underrated.

He makes the Top 5 for me. In fact, if I'm feeling better later tonight, I might move Joe to #1.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:08 PM   #71
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I generally have Louis at number four, and Frazier at number five, but I sometimes reverse that order.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:21 PM   #72
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Depends what you mean.

Fraziers head movment and ability to slip punches was awsome. He had no equal at heavyweight except Jack Dempsey.



I am verry interested in Wlads progress but it is a case of wait and see.
Ali was quoted as saying he found Frazier easy to hit,and if you look at his face after their three fights I think you might agree with him!
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:22 PM   #73
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It is one thing to keep Tua on the outside but quite another to keep a polished infighter like Frazier on the outside.
The difference is Tua proved against Lewis ,that he wasnt prepared to pay the price Ali exacted from Frazier to get inside
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:26 PM   #74
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The difference is Tua proved against Lewis ,that he wasnt prepared to pay the price Ali exacted from Frazier to get inside
Fair call. Lewis hits far harder than Ali, but by the same token Tua has a vaunted chin. Frazier came prepared to practically die if he had to in order to win.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:46 PM   #75
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In order to hit Wlad would have to expose himself to Frazier getting inside.
No he wouldn't. Wlad's arms coupled with the way he fights (tall, long punches) and Frazier (short stature, short punches, hooks) results in Wlad's range being only twice that of Frazier. Watch Wlad's fight with Brewster, he hit him all the time while barely being hit in return. Now Brewster is no Frazier of course, but you get the point.

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I believe that he could be presented with a stylistic en passe by Frazier.
I don't think so, he'll potshot Frazier from the outside while staying away and tieing him up on the inside to prevent Frazier from getting off.

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I generally have Louis at number four, and Frazier at number five, but I sometimes reverse that order.
Louis at #4? That's low, who do you have higher than him? If i had to guess from your posts, i'd say Holmes, Ali and Dempsey.
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