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Old 07-11-2007, 12:00 PM   #16
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I agree but regarding Vic, how do you expect him to learn when he could not even accept his defeat?
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:15 PM   #17
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first off lets talk about that 0 in the loss column that you fans love ohhh so much. i dont understand this new concept that 0 makes you elite. in my opinion it doesnt. 0 means you havnt learned from any mistakes yet. When a fighter loses like Vic Darchinyian this weekend you fake ass fans automatically write him off as a bum. you dont consider he might have had a bad night, or the fact that he can easily come back from this and become better. Losses are just learning experiences especially for fighters. back in the day, the guys we consider great, lost alllll the time and no one cared. its this new generation of fans that are ****ing up the sport.

ill type more later, my hands hurt.
You know what?? You are right!! Thats why fighter like Miranda and lacy should not be written off yet!! Back in the day there where great fighters with some losses. Even today there are fighter like Glen Johnson who come back after some losses and be better than ever, or guys like Michael Sprott who has 10 losses already but seems to be in his prime now. The great Hopkins lost one of his first pro fight but where does he stand now? Sprott is no elite fighter but hes better than ever i think. Fighter with zero losses are either super elite or dont have fought the best opponents they could! Some fighter have the ubeatable status but thats bullshit everybody is beatable, we are only humans! Today manny fighters are just overprotected and dont take unnessecary chances to face dangerous opponents.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:18 PM   #18
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Im still waiting on Emmanuel Augustus to get his title shot. It would be a big '**** you' to the industry if he were to pick up a title with his record.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:22 PM   #19
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Im still waiting on Emmanuel Augustus to get his title shot. It would be a big '**** you' to the industry if he were to pick up a title with his record.
That's why I dobut the "boxing" world would allow EA to get a title shot....and if they did, they make it a point to stack the odds against him.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:32 PM   #20
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I think it is a factor of the limited TV dates. An opponent with a 0 is much more attractive to a network than one with a few losses.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:33 PM   #21
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anyone who knows boxing knows the O is bullshit.

but for nuthuggers its a good tool to claim a fighter in invinsible......
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:34 PM   #22
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I agree, a loss doesnt mean your shit, it means your testing yourself, or like you said, had a bad night at the office! its ho you come back from that loss that makes you the fighter people remember, Barrera, he came back from the two losses to junior jones, and then had the controversial loss (i thought he won) to Morales, yet he comes back, fights the best and hes an all time great, if more fighters were like Barrera, the sport would be in a lot better condition.
Great post peter5, keep typing!
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:41 PM   #23
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I think that there´s a contradiction here - which boxers has more fans than De La Hoya and Holyfield?
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:45 PM   #24
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This is exactly the reason whey I have guys like Manny Pacquiao and Winky Wright above Floyd Mayweather on my pound for pound list. I could give two shits and a **** about that "0" in the loss column...
Agree. Valuev had 0 until he started fighting a somewhat credible opposition.
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:59 PM   #25
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It's not if you lose but how you lose and who you lose to.
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:04 PM   #26
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Sometimes a loss can help a fighter move forward....a lot of fans don't realize this and look too much into the 0 and not who guys have faced.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:19 PM   #27
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the phrase "undefeated" carries far too much weight in the realm of todays boxing, if you don't crucify a guy for losing a fight or two, you might get to see the top guys matched up alot more often, and fighters fighting much more aggresively.
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