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Old 06-08-2014, 06:15 PM   #31
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Ruddock was 228-238 pounds ripped muscular fighter for about 6'3" in his prime.
I don't think Tyson is given enough credit for his wins against Ruddock. People remember mainly the post-Tyson Ruddock who was caught and stopped in 2 rounds by Lennox Lewis and other fights like the Tommy Morrison slugfest but at the time that Tyson fought him, he was probably the most feared and avoided heavyweight in the world. Bigger, just as strong, if not stronger and probably a harder one-shot puncher then Tyson, yet Tyson was pretty much able to beat him at his own game and dominate him even though Rudduck did manage to land several great shots himself. I would say that Ruddock was never the same fighter again after Tyson
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:47 AM   #32
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Sammy Scaff 6'5" - Tyson KO 1
Mike Jameson 6'4" - Tyson KO 5
Dave Jaco 6'6" - Tyson KO 1
Mitch Green 6'5" - Tyson W 10
Reggie Gross 6'3" - Tyson KO 1
Jose Ribalta 6'5" - Tyson KO 10
Bonecrusher 6'5" - Tyson W 12
Tony Tucker 6'5 - Tyson W 12
Tyrell Biggs 6'5" - Tyson KO 7
Larry Holmes 6'3" - Tyson KO 4
Tony Tubbs 6'3" - Tyson KO 2
Frank Bruno 6'3" - Tyson KO 5, KO 3
Carl Williams 6'4" - Tyson KO 1
Buster Douglas 6'4" - Douglas KO 10
Henry Tillmas 6'3" - Tyson KO 1
Alex Stewart 6'3" - Tyson KO 1
Razor Ruddock 6'3" - Tyson KO 7, W 12
Lou Savarese 6'5" - Tyson KO 1
Andrew Golota 6'4" - Tyson KO 3
Brian Nielsen 6'3" - Tyson KO 7
Lennox Lewis 6'5" - Lewis KO 8
Danny Williams 6'3" - Williams KO 4
Kevin McBride 6'6" - McBride KO 6


Tyson went 21-4 with 17 KO's against opponents 6'3" and taller. Yeah...he struggled so bad he couldn't even knock them all out in the first round.
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Old 06-09-2014, 04:35 AM   #33
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Default Re: For all you haters who say Tyson had trouble with taller guys.

The truth is somewhere in between

Tyson had more trouble with taller fighers overall.

Yet he beat them all during his prime, except when totally lax in training & health against Douglas. You can speculate about height vs. ATGs, but Tyson gets a harder rap than about anyone for "struggling" even during UD when hugged like a Prom Date.

Also many of the names right above were very good contenders, not all "tomato cans".
His competition overall was not bad; most all HWs & so many others get slammed for fighting "bums". And some get a relative pass,

Results vs. Lewis & McHale are an absurd argument. He was pretty shot against an ATG, & basically the ghost of a corpse against McBride.
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Old 06-09-2014, 06:17 AM   #34
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No Tyson didn,t have special trouble with taller guys!
it,s the heavyweight division ! so most guys are taller than 6 feet 2 .
in his prime only loss was against Douglas who is of average height for a heavy.
losing twice against Holyfield proves my point ( Evander being below average height )
losses to LL and Mc Bride had nothing to do with them being tall guys , but with the lack of motivation and proper training .
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:01 AM   #35
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Obviously, Tyson was bound to have trouble with taller guys
when 99.99% of his opposition was taller than him

Ali had trouble with black fighters because he lost to Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Spinks and Berbick

Vitali has trouble with black fighters too because all of his losses and decisions were against black fighters

This whole Tyson struggled with taller fighters is bullsh*t.

Tyson was a puncher, punchers normally struggle with movers or guys who dont play ball
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:49 AM   #36
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Obviously, Tyson was bound to have trouble with taller guys
when 99.99% of his opposition was taller than him

Ali had trouble with black fighters because he lost to Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Spinks and Berbick

Vitali has trouble with black fighters too because all of his losses and decisions were against black fighters

This whole Tyson struggled with taller fighters is bullsh*t.

Tyson was a puncher, punchers normally struggle with movers or guys who dont play ball


That is brilliant.
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:01 AM   #37
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That is brilliant.
I hope you understand the point i was trying to make?
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:33 PM   #38
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But you have just included all of Tyson's opponents 6'3" and over regardless of quality. I already singled out a shortlist of opponents greater than 6'3" that had decent records and you can see clearly that it IS true.

The evidence swing both ways, it shows Tyson was great at destroying tall tomato cans but found his toughest challenges when he faced tall top level opponents.

Of course we all know this is true anyway becuse Tyson was easily tied up and frustrated by the bigger guys.

Even Holyfield used his 6'2" height to wrap Tyson up. He was worked out.

The f*ck? There are plenty of quality names in there. World rated championship caliber fighters that Tyson crushed. Tyson went 21-1 against every opponent that was 6'3" or better until 2002.

Buh bye!
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:32 PM   #39
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Ah yes, the old indestructible prime Tyson routine is it.

Try not to let the fiction get in the way of the whole truth now. I seem to recall his regarded best opponent from that period was also a 6'- former LHW Michael Spinks right. Says a lot.

Guys like Tucker, they was good fighters but they wasn't great fighters.
ah right, so basically your a hater?

may as well **** off then, we're tired of wasting braincells on people like you

you're the same tard who believes Foreman was more skilled than Liston
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Old 06-09-2014, 06:20 PM   #40
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I hope you understand the point i was trying to make?
I got the point mate yeah, im going to use this sometime.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:51 PM   #41
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No it isn't, it's perfectly sensible. Williams has a bad record and Cooper was just a brawler. Holmes was a great boxer of course but it's well known he struggled through his career against decent and sub par fighters, Williams being one of those.

These are the only decent taller opponents than 6'3" that Tyson fought, Williams lost too many fights to be included, Savarese is the only one knocked out and you can see how his performance drops. Ruddock was 6'3" of course and he caused him a lot of problems too.

1. Mitch Green (6'5") W UD10
2. James Bonecrusher Smith (6'4") W UD10
3. Tony Tucker (6'5") W UD12
4. Buster Douglas (6'3.5") L (KO)
5. Lou Savarese (6'5") W (KO)
6. Lennox Lewis (6'5.") L (KO)
7. kevin Mcbride (6'6") L (KO)

It's clear, Tyson had difficulties with taller talented fighters.
fan man i cannot believe your this ignorant,i think you just like ****ing with tyson lovers.kevin Mcbride??? REALLY! MIKE WAS SO PHYSICALLY OUT OF SHAPE, MENTALLY TOTALLY(AND SAID SO) THROUGH WITH FIGHTING AND SO FAR FROM HIS PRIME! WHY DO YOU KEEP USING HIM AS AN EXAMPLE? WOULD YOU SHOW CASE ALI VS BERBICK AS TESTIMONY THAT ALI SUCKED? NO WAY PAST PRIME! HE ALSO IS JUST A LEVEL OF TOMATO CAN OF MIKE'S PRIME.__Savares? MIKE CRUSHED HIM! Mitch Gree? HELD AND RAN __ James Bonecrusher Smith?LITERALLY HELD THE WHOLE FIGHT!___Douglas? ONCE AGAIN NOT MENTALLY UP NOT TRAINING DRUGS WOMAN AND BOOZE___Lewis? PAST HIS PRIME.___Ruddock? NOT HIS HEIGHT BUT HIS STRENGTH AND PUNCH WAS THE PROBLEM STILL MIKE CLEARLY BEAT HIM TWICE BREAKING HIS JAW._ PLEASE NO MORE SILLINESS.
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Old 06-09-2014, 11:37 PM   #42
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Ah yes, the old indestructible prime Tyson routine is it.

Try not to let the fiction get in the way of the whole truth now. I seem to recall his regarded best opponent from that period was also a 6'- former LHW Michael Spinks right. Says a lot.

Guys like Tucker, they was good fighters but they wasn't great fighters.
Just stating the facts, f*ckin pud.
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Old 06-10-2014, 08:58 AM   #43
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Default Re: For all you haters who say Tyson had trouble with taller guys.

Tyson fought pretty good competition overall, better than so many HWs & some ATGs.

Spinks was 6' 2", NOT 6'. He was 212 lbs., bigger than some ATGs. He was 31-0 & had never been down in his career.

Let's try to be fair, not just pick a side & throw the most biased possible case together.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:18 AM   #44
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All I want to add for you angry, angry people is that I'm not trying to take anything away from Mike but he of course, like every other boxer, had increasing difficulties the larger his opponents got.

I mean Frank you said it yourself, some of those guys like Smith and Green "held" him a lot. In other words caused him more problems than littler guys who couldn't hold him did (i.e. Spinks). They didn't get pasted within the first minute.

Tyson was much better than those guys still, I wouldn't argue there.
fan man your claiming HEIGHT was tyson's nemesis right? you cited the smith and green fights.i simply pointed out the facts,smith was injured in the 1st and literally held the whole fight! green fought back a little more but was easily beaten, neither fighter kept mike on the outside.ie problems with taller fighters.okay?
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:43 PM   #45
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Ok and what about Buster? I mean I have heard the stories too, not focussed at all, not in shape. He looked in great shape.

This might not have been Mike's best showing but it seemed to me like Buster kind of had him worked due to his length? I mean I can't see Spinks pulling that off.

Show me a little guy besides Holyfield, who used his height anyway and was roided to the gills, that pushed Tyson past a few rounds?
Easy. James Tillis was 6'1". Step aside.
So what you're saying is Tyson only destroyed guys who were 6'2" or less?
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