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Old 03-14-2008, 01:52 PM   #46
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Well, a research was done with over hundreds of medical cases, and there was no correlation found between those prayed for and better recovery. A lot of how the body works is unknown to us; when you're sick and you get better, you don't consciously do it. If you pray, or do a naked dance, and are healed two days later, you can say you have found God..... or it was just gonna happen whatever you did.
That's not what I have read. Doctors have for years and years been scratching their heads about sudden cures that completely defy logic and science. There was a recent study, within the last 2 years anyway, that found some measurable benefit to "prayer". Now to be fair, the "healing" may have been a result of positive, affirmative thinking, but it is clear that there was some kind of a unexpected effect.

I know first hand of 2 people who had cures of cancer that was outlandish and sudden. Only prayer was between the imminent death and the complete recovery.


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What makes Islamic terrorists dangerous is the thought that when they kill innocent people, they will get 67 virgins who remain virgins after you **** them. Not the fact that "God watches over them in victory". It's self believe and nothing more.
That isn't completely accurate and you underestimate the power of religious faith. There's a dark side to faith to be sure, but to blame 'faith' is too easy and it ignores the actual reason for antisocial behavior -that is, human nature.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:55 PM   #47
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The reason religious people are not very bright is very simple.

Religion is based on Faith. Faith is no more than an unproven preposition that something is true. No facts for this preposition are needed for the 'religious man' to believe it.
The more unbelievable, preposterous or ridiculous the preposition, the more Faith is needed by the believer.
Faith is ofcourse just a euphemism for gullible or easily led.

The interesting Paradox in religion is that is based on selfishness. Churchgoers worship God, ultimately for the self serving reward of heaven, an afterlife, a reward for their own purposes.
Now, hypothetically, if there was a God would he reward the selfish churchgoers or the genuine good people who are good because that is who they are and not because they hope for brownie points and an immortal afterlife??
It is interesting to note the ratio of people who have killed in the name of religion compared to how many have killed in the name of Atheism.

The dumbness of religiousfolk can be quantified in how easy they can be controlled. How they can be sent to kill in the name of some invisible being.
Because they were born with a GODLY amount of Faith [gullibilty]
All that rings true in this mean-spirited little post is that crippet doesn't know the A,B,Cs of Christianity.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:17 PM   #48
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That's not what I have read. Doctors have for years and years been scratching their heads about sudden cures that completely defy logic and science. There was a recent study, within the last 2 years anyway, that found some measurable benefit to "prayer". Now to be fair, the "healing" may have been a result of positive, affirmative thinking, but it is clear that there was some kind of a unexpected effect.

I know first hand of 2 people who had cures of cancer that was outlandish and sudden. Only prayer was between the imminent death and the complete recovery.



That isn't completely accurate and you underestimate the power of religious faith. There's a dark side to faith to be sure, but to blame 'faith' is too easy and it ignores the actual reason for antisocial behavior -that is, human nature.
This is all nice to talk about but I wonder what you would do if you got sick? Would you stay at home and pray to god to heal you, or would you go see a doctor? I know what I would do.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:22 PM   #49
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This post should be in the Lounge.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:29 PM   #50
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All that rings true in this mean-spirited little post is that crippet doesn't know the A,B,Cs of Christianity.
No. It's just a reality check for the gullible.

You have even quoted earlier that you believe praying has cured cancer!!

There really is no beginning to your intellect.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:31 PM   #51
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And Jesus loves him anyway -and that is something that this man can hold on to, even if that mirror in his hand would be better left on the table. The belief is that Jesus made that face that people scorn (that his children have the freedom to scorn, just like they have the freedom to look deeper than what they see).


Jesus is just a psychological concept. Nothing more. Have you ever seen Jesus? Seen him walk on water?

Probably you have "felt" Jesus. Just like you have felt love, happiness, etc. It's all in your mind.


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What does a man's face have to do with his capacity to love or to be loved?
Let's be real here. The only time that ugly bastard gets to see any ***** is when he came from his mother's fat womb. You think he'll have many friends and a social life? Why did God condemn him to a miserable life with that horrifying excuse of a face? Why does God make babies that miss limps? Did their parents not pray enough?


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A man reaches the top of the world of business. He's rich, has a beautiful wife, kids, and all of your luxuries times 10. One morning he takes out a gun and shoots himself in the head.

A slave woman has no material goods, scars on her back, children who are condemned to be slaves for the rest of their existence to chains, and a husband who has been sold to Georgia because the price was write. She works in a cotton field from "sun up to sundown". And sings spiritual songs all day. She's happy and thanks Jesus for what little she does have.

I suspect that those who have little or nothing are more inclined to rely on their spirituality or religion. It brings hope and consolation. Perhaps poverty and suffering offer perspective and truth. Perhaps it is the man who relies on his wealth or education for happiness is self-delusional.
Okay, so according to you it doesn't really matter whether you're basically a slave who constantly has to work, worry about survival, food with no possesions at all or whether you're healthy and you can go through life with no worries about primary living needs and all the luxery/***** you need?

Be real here man. If you could choose to be born in a random place in Africa where they cut off hands and brutalize people for next to no reason at all, or be born in a wealthy country like Danmark, how long would you have to think?
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:52 PM   #52
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Jesus is just a psychological concept. Nothing more. Have you ever seen Jesus? Seen him walk on water?

Probably you have "felt" Jesus. Just like you have felt love, happiness, etc. It's all in your mind.
So an historically proven man is all in our mind?

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Let's be real here. The only time that ugly bastard gets to see any ***** is when he came from his mother's fat womb. You think he'll have many friends and a social life? Why did God condemn him to a miserable life with that horrifying excuse of a face? Why does God make babies that miss limps? Did their parents not pray enough?
Why did G-d suggest the ultimate payment long before Jesus was ever born in the flesh? He established what Jesus would be in Genesis chapter 3... immediately after the first sin.

So why does G-d allow this or that? He didn't disallow Himself from serving as a punishemnt, did He?
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:28 PM   #53
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So an historically proven man is all in our mind?
Historically proven? The bible has been written by several people hundreds of years later.

I don't doubt that there has been a dude named Jesus with exception charisma or whatever, but him walking on water and splitting oceans..

People back then knew **** all about how the world worked. If i had their knowledge, no doubt i'd be a believer too. But with our current knowledge.. please. Let me know the next time a person can turn water into wine.


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Why did G-d suggest the ultimate payment long before Jesus was ever born in the flesh? He established what Jesus would be in Genesis chapter 3... immediately after the first sin.

So why does G-d allow this or that? He didn't disallow Himself from serving as a punishemnt, did He?
I have no idea what you are talking about and how this is relevant to the text you were replying to.
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:54 PM   #54
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Quote Nietzsche " GOD is Dead"

Quote GOD " Nietzsche is Dead"

Nietzsche was the enemy of Christians ,Jews and GOD because he said it was founded by the Jews, he hated God and most felt that he was as brilliant as a man could be but Nietzsche had a mental breakdown and suffered before his death at the age of 56 some, including Georges Bataille and René Girard, argue that his breakdown may have been caused by a psychological maladjustment brought on by his philosophy. EITHER WAY he was a man that made such quotes as "God is Dead" and "what dont kill you makes you stronger" but he died a weak and UNBLESSED MAN and in his end he was helpless and as weak as a man could be
Well, that's what syphillis did to you before antibiotics.
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Old 03-14-2008, 04:55 PM   #55
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It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes.
Cute little saying that proves absolutely nothing.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:32 PM   #56
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OK guys.

First of all this is a boxing site not a theological site.

Secondly, I am an atheist but Iexpect posters on this site to be treated with respect regardless of their religeous convictions.
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Old 03-14-2008, 08:04 PM   #57
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Yeah, you don't seem like you're trying to drive home your OWN personal point any harder than old Nietzsche there, Bum.


The point is that Nietzche that promoted the "God is dead" and "What dont kill you makes you stronger" and when all was said and done his theory did not make hin stronger in fact he suffered with mental illness for many years and died young. I think faith is personal opinion and so is non-faith. I dont impose my opinions and dont like it when anyone imposes there opinion on me. but Nietzche should not be the poster boy for Atheists, His tree did not bear good fruit and his life was no example of success

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Old 03-14-2008, 08:39 PM   #58
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Well, that's what syphillis did to you before antibiotics.

No, it was from trying to stick somthing up some young mans ass, the devil

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Old 03-15-2008, 02:25 AM   #59
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Didn't Christians used to stone people with epilepsy because they thought they were possessed?

Didn't Christians want to KILL Galilleo for suggesting the Earth might orbit the sun?

Didn't Christians want the theory of evolution banned from being taught in schools because it didn't fit their beliefs of creationism?

Isn't history full of such examples of science overwriting religion?

Does the bible explicitly state it presents metaphorical truths, or is this just an excuse for backpedalling and acknowledging the absurdity of these stories?

What is the difference between faith and ignorance?
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Old 03-15-2008, 05:03 AM   #60
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People tend to believe in whatever everyone else around them believes in. So if there are some strong consensus beliefs that absolutely everyone seems to believe and never questions, then it would be hard not to believe them too.

Being "intelligent" can only make you "free-minded" to a certain extent. 99% of non-religous-believers probably hold many other beliefs that they just believe in because everyone else does.

The "bible is metaphor" crowd are the most disingenuous of all religious folk. I dont see that position as "lack of intelligence", just dishonesty or self-deception, or an attempt to appease both sides of the debate. It's prevalent amongst western "secular" Christians, less so amongst educated muslims who mostly have the sense to at least uphold the basic belief that the Qu'ran IS LITERALLY THE WORD OF GOD. Scriptures are the basis of these religions, to push the view that those scriptures are "metaphors" or "open to infinite interpretation" is like saying they could mean anything or are in fact meaningless, or impossible to understand.
If God's message is impossible to decipher for us mere men then why not ignore it and see what happens ?
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