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Old 03-15-2008, 02:01 PM   #16
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Good stuff. Also, Monzon was killing himself to make the weight that night- and had to run about 5 miles earlier to come within the limit. Good performance from Griffith nonetheless, he lands that looping right throughout the fight. But, again, Carlos seemingly scored a fight in his mind perfectly. He said later that after 10 the fight was level, or he was possibly just behind. Spot on. Thus, time to go to work in the final 3rd of the contest. Arguably his worst performance in a wolrd title fight, but unlike many other unprepared great champions (e.g. Duran on a few occasions, even Lennox Lewis) he still managed to eke out that win despite being far from his best.
Yeah, again, most fighters have losses and real lows in their careers that their mortality was measured against to assess their place in boxing history, but Monzon just had a few sub par performances, mostly in one year, 1973, and even these he still won.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:01 PM   #17
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Howard Cosell scored it close. Many will be going off that. But Cosell was a monumental bore and a total tit, of course. I think most have it between 3 and 5 round margin for Monzon.
Don't forget Clancy's part, he's widely printed saying Griffith won and was ripped off etc.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:03 PM   #18
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Monzon was unique and very rare as an alltime great, and is slowly being appreciated of late. He was not a very good person, but thank God for boxing, because if not for this sport, Monzon would have killed someone and would have spent his life in prison, instead of just his last few years.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:05 PM   #19
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Don't forget Clancy's part, he's widely printed saying Griffith won and was ripped off etc.
Clancy, though it was understandable due to his fierce loyalty to his fighters, was just basicallly a sore loser, who deep down, knew better IMO.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:11 PM   #20
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I think that, again, at his very best, and not the 1973 version, Monzon would have figured out and defeated Jones, eventually shutting him down, thereby coping with his speed. I believe that Monzon was one of the most resourceful fighters of all time, who utilized everything for his advantage, like his height, reach, the 15 round distance in those days, in particular. Monzon was also very physical, in that he would rough up his opponents with his elbows and shoulders, and wore his opponents down over the distance, suddenly turning it on with accurate power punches at critical moments. You would think he was out of range, or you were out of range, only to be hit and hit effectively. He would have taken Jones out to sea in those late championship rounds, and hit him on the chin with that forgotten right hand of his. Watch the 1972 Briscoe fight, or the two Valdez fights to see a master at work. But, oh, it was all so subtle. Monzon looked at times like he was there for the taking, but the other guy was the one who ended up taking the beating, and losing. He would have stopped Jones in the 14th or 15th after having him down a few times.
Good read. I think a fight between him and Roy Jones would be determined somewhere past the 12th round. And given Monzon's proven stamina and finding a way to win, you gotta favor the Argentine here.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:19 PM   #21
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I myself would favour monzon over 15 against jones as the pressure would be overwhelming for roy,i just would find it interesting as hardly anybody seemed to be able to dictate the pace to monzon but i think roys speed over the early part might have carlos in a spot of bother.
Other than this i see no middle beating monzon,he has the answer to all the other styles that greats like hagler,hopkins and robinson present.
On another note,how does carlos go against joe calzaghe,a quite similiar fighter in some ways? At least at 168 carlos doesnt have to
struggle to make weight as much.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:20 PM   #22
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Clancy, though it was understandable due to his fierce loyalty to his fighters, was just basicallly a sore loser, who deep down, knew better IMO.
Hard to argue with that.
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:57 PM   #23
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I don't know, I think that Monzon was made for the middleweight division. It's possible that he would have fared well in a superheavy class, but the middleweight class was just a natural for him. Guys like Monzon and Hagler had the sense to stay in their best division.
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:58 PM   #24
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I meant, of course, the superMIDDLEweight division. Sorry 'bout that.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:24 PM   #25
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Probably Bennie Briscoe.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:39 PM   #26
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And i'm talking about when he reached his prime, let's say from '68 to '77.


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Old 11-06-2012, 10:37 PM   #27
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Valdez was the toughest and Briscoe provided some rough moments. As far as Griffith, Monzon won the first fight pretty comfortably and Carlos was the kind of fighter who put out enough to win...I don't think Griffith made him uncomfortable even though it was a closer fight on paper but IMO Monzon was always in charge
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Argentine legal system?
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:05 AM   #29
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Red cobra I bet has dreams fornicating with monzon. Tell us how it was, better yet dont just tell bummy. We all don't romanticize women murderers
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:13 AM   #30
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Red cobra I bet has dreams fornicating with monzon. Tell us how it was, better yet dont just tell bummy. We all don't romanticize women murderers
You're just a disgusting little "journeyman" after all. What did they leave the gate open from the general forum?
What fighters are you big on and passionate about? The same thing could be said about you, little man.
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