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Old 03-17-2008, 08:10 AM   #16
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This would have been even better had it happened in 2002.

Obviously Hopkins felt that a bout against a blown up Jnr Middle Carl Daniels was of far more importance.
Well at least he was undisputed and held all the belts. I believe Daniels was a mandatory. Meanwhile Joe was was coming off a career defining win over Kevin "ceasefire" Mcyntyre! That bout was so woeful that even Joe didnt want to hit the poor guy and kept looking at the ref for a stoppage. Ah those were the days aye.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:20 AM   #17
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Well at least he was undisputed and held all the belts. I believe Daniels was a mandatory. Meanwhile Joe was was coming off a career defining win over Kevin "ceasefire" Mcyntyre! That bout was so woeful that even Joe didnt want to hit the poor guy and kept looking at the ref for a stoppage. Ah those were the days aye.
Hopkins ducked Calzaghe, but I can see it from his perspective.

Who would want to fight an awkward grossly underrated, quick champion from the divison above you when you would likely get more credit for beating up a blown up welterweight or two from the press?

Hopkins loses that fight and his marketability likely goes down the tubes.

Calzaghe at least tried to make that fight and Hopkins accepeted intially. Before having a couple of nightmares and waking up the next morning to demand twice the amount he origninally accepted.

Besides mock Calzaghes resume all you want. Hopkins has never beaten anyone the calibre of Kessler. And that will be proven with time, trust me on that one.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:33 AM   #18
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We`ve heard tons of excuses of all the mooted clashes with Joe and his socalled names and im not buying any of it.I watched far too much of his WBO drivel over the years to take him seriously.Theres only so many times you can cry wolf.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:41 AM   #19
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We`ve heard tons of excuses of all the mooted clashes with Joe and his socalled names and im not buying any of it.I watched far too much of his WBO drivel over the years to take him seriously.Theres only so many times you can cry wolf.
Im going to make a thread later tonight once I get back from Uni on this subject.

I respect your views and knowledge of boxing so ill be keen for your input.

I haven't got time to debate this in depth at the moment but it should be an interesting topic I feel.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:42 AM   #20
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Will Hopkins be able to hurt Calzaghe with his counters? Obviously they won't feel like whiskers on kittens but will they have enough pop to keep Joe off him?

Bearing in mind Calzaghe took some massive shots from Kessler and walked through them I doubt it.

I'm not sure how Bernard will deal with Calzaghe's lightning fast jab either. When he boxes behind it Joe is extremely hard to hit cleanly.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:47 AM   #21
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How many top class pure middle weights did Hopkins fight and beat?
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:51 AM   #22
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How many top class pure middle weights did Hopkins fight and beat?
Wait for tonight.

Trust me the haters are going to be running for cover.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:54 AM   #23
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Wait for tonight.

Trust me the haters are going to be running for cover.

Mine was a serious question. I'll wait to see what you have to offer and will enjoy the debate. It will be great to see a proper critiqe of the guys opposition.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:59 AM   #24
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How many top class pure middle weights did Hopkins fight and beat?
TBH Hopkins' middlweight defences are a poor bunch, most of his defences are against welters/ jr middles moving up or pointless rematches....
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Undoubtedly - it's easy to discredit it because Tarver was off his best due to the weight loss, but Hopkins totally messed him up. Clever tactics, sharp punching, great defence.

Add the fact that Hopkins looked bereft of ideas when he faced Taylor and you can see that the extra weight gave him something back.

I still think that Joe is better than him H2H (even at prime) and has the sort of awkward, unconventional style that Hopkins will have difficulty adapting to.

But i think it's a tactical fight which will bore the **** out of me at 5am and make me regret staying up.

i have the same feeling. i can smell it
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:51 AM   #26
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Well at least he was undisputed and held all the belts. I believe Daniels was a mandatory. Meanwhile Joe was was coming off a career defining win over Kevin "ceasefire" Mcyntyre! That bout was so woeful that even Joe didnt want to hit the poor guy and kept looking at the ref for a stoppage. Ah those were the days aye.

are you a british boxing fan or what. hatton calzaghe?
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:53 AM   #27
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TBH Hopkins' middlweight defences are a poor bunch, most of his defences are against welters/ jr middles moving up or pointless rematches....
This much is true.And he received a tremendous amount of flak because of it after not building on his win over Tito. Merchant used to give him hell in the ring and there verbals were very spiteful. But Hop did things his way and credit to him he won ALL the titles. His tenure as the best man was undisputable.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:54 AM   #28
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are you a british boxing fan or what. hatton calzaghe?
Yes i am. Im also a realist. I call it how i see it. Have you seen Joes fight with Kevin Mcyntyre? What were your thoughts on this epic bout?
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:13 AM   #29
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Joe has had some horrendous opponents... Carlos Christie gave a career worst against him.... Tyler Hughes.... Nice.
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:19 AM   #30
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His tenure as the best man was undisputable.
Thats true, he was def 'the man' at middleweight and its not his fault that the middles didn't have much strength in depth when he was champ or that the big money fights happened to be the smaller guys moving up (he'd have been a fool not to take them). Bigger challenges were availiable to him if he had of been willing to move up in weight earlier but that was his choice, he made 160 easily so he stayed there. Unlike some I'll never put down a champion for staying at a weight and dominating it over several years, it takes talent, focus and dedication. I'm not a big fan of all the bouncing up and down weight divisions, hand picking from the same clique of oppoents that goes on these days.
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