Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston

Cobra33 · 06-17-2007, 11:28 AM

Heres a great match-up featuring 2 alltime greats who could end a fight with 1 punch.Louis probabely has the faster hands but Liston the physical strength.Who wins?

RAMPAGE0017 · 06-17-2007, 11:31 AM

Liston KOs Louis... I'll give him 5 or 6 rounds. I'm not really a believer as far as Joe's power goes.. I mean, I'm sure he was powerful for his day, but I don't think his power holds up as well in future generations.

McGrain · 06-17-2007, 11:37 AM

This fight is a nightmare. How to begin? I have it as a pick em and there are several reasons for this.

I posted a thread (%$@t) about areas where Liston shaded Louis, which I would love to reference here as it had a great response. To paraphrase it here, Liston had Louis edged in terms of:

Chin (barely)
Power (in his biggest shots)
Jab
Raw strength
Ring smarts

Wheras Louis has, I feel clearly better footwork, faster hands, better combo's and has proven his stamina to a greater extent (See the rally in Walcott II where he was way past his prime).

So how to quantify all of this? The problem is it's all bullshit because of what has been seen. ANY fighter that every came to either of these guys during their peaks got his head handed to him. If you go to Liston you get murdered. If you go to Louis you get murdered.

If you'd set up a poll I wouldn't have voted in it. I think it's to close to call.

However, if I'd just joined a new gambling site and they'd given me a free £3 bet for this fight, I wouldn't waste it. I'd put it on Louis to win by mid round stopage. But I wouldn't neccesarily expect to see a return.

Executioner · 06-17-2007, 11:41 AM

Liston knocks him out with a piledriver right hand in the 8th round but Louis, of course wins the rematch.

Ramon Rojo · 06-17-2007, 12:36 PM

Liston by KO before 6th

groove · 06-17-2007, 12:57 PM

This would be some fight. I can't see it lasting more than 6 rounds. Could go either way. Liston may finish it quick as he's got the extra power. But Louis is the better combo puncher so it's very interesting match-up. Hard one to call. I favour Liston to win within 3 rounds or Louis to win from 4th round onwards.

robert ungurean · 06-17-2007, 01:33 PM

I like Louis in 9 by KO.
Faster hands
better combo's
smarter fighter.

Jupiter1610 · 06-17-2007, 07:26 PM

I like Liston by KO. I think that he has the better chin of the two and the superior defense, despite Joe's edge in speed and accuracy.

timmers612 · 06-17-2007, 07:58 PM

Mcgrain, yours was fun and interesting post, one of the better ones from the last few years. Cheers

McGrain · 06-17-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by timmers612

Mcgrain, yours was fun and interesting post, one of the better ones from the last few years. Cheers

Thanks for taking the time to say so.

McGrain · 06-17-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Homicidal Hank

I have never seen a fighter of alleged excellence look more stupid than Louis did in his first fight with Max Schmeling.

You SOB, I have to agree

Bump. Bump, bump, bump.

He just...i don't know. Anyway, i've said it before i'll say it again, that fight fell outside of Joe's composite peak. And it should be added that Schmeling was a very smart fighter.

But I agree that Liston was the smarter of the two.

McGrain · 06-17-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Homicidal Hank

When it came to thinking on his feet, Louis was one of the absolute worst.

Of the ATG's,yes. But in his defence all he had to think about most of the time was "how do i get this guy to come to me".

Much like a crackhead, he was lost when thinking about anything else, but very good at devising ways of getting crack.

Muchmoore · 06-17-2007, 09:43 PM

I would pick Liston. They fought a lot alike, but Liston had the edge in most categories by a little bit.

Liston by KO within 9.

hobgoblin · 06-17-2007, 09:50 PM

Liston had a far superior jab so he'd give Louis trouble there. However, I still put my money on Louis to be defensive, look for openings, counter, and get a brutal KO with his counter, well timed combination punching.

Louis by KO but Liston has a good chance of pulling off an upset.

rekcutnevets · 06-17-2007, 10:01 PM

I think that in order for Louis to win, he has to give ground to Liston. I don't mean dance around the ring, more like what he tried against Marciano. I don't believe he can tear into Liston and try to bully him. Liston is too much bull for Louis to try that with. I think he can land cleaner punches, without using as much effort, if he lets Liston follow him.

I think this one goes the distance. I don't see Joe knocking Liston out fighting in the fashion I described.

I think Louis can win a close decision, winning with crisp combinations.

06-17-2007, 11:28 AM	#1
Cobra33 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,403 vCash: 1000	Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston Heres a great match-up featuring 2 alltime greats who could end a fight with 1 punch.Louis probabely has the faster hands but Liston the physical strength.Who wins?
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06-17-2007, 11:31 AM	#2
RAMPAGE0017 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 899 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston Liston KOs Louis... I'll give him 5 or 6 rounds. I'm not really a believer as far as Joe's power goes.. I mean, I'm sure he was powerful for his day, but I don't think his power holds up as well in future generations.
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06-17-2007, 11:37 AM	#3
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,253 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston This fight is a nightmare. How to begin? I have it as a pick em and there are several reasons for this. I posted a thread (%$@t) about areas where Liston shaded Louis, which I would love to reference here as it had a great response. To paraphrase it here, Liston had Louis edged in terms of: Chin (barely) Power (in his biggest shots) Jab Raw strength Ring smarts Wheras Louis has, I feel clearly better footwork, faster hands, better combo's and has proven his stamina to a greater extent (See the rally in Walcott II where he was way past his prime). So how to quantify all of this? The problem is it's all bullshit because of what has been seen. ANY fighter that every came to either of these guys during their peaks got his head handed to him. If you go to Liston you get murdered. If you go to Louis you get murdered. If you'd set up a poll I wouldn't have voted in it. I think it's to close to call. However, if I'd just joined a new gambling site and they'd given me a free £3 bet for this fight, I wouldn't waste it. I'd put it on Louis to win by mid round stopage. But I wouldn't neccesarily expect to see a return.
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06-17-2007, 11:41 AM	#4
Executioner Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,314 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston Liston knocks him out with a piledriver right hand in the 8th round but Louis, of course wins the rematch.
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06-17-2007, 12:36 PM	#5
Ramon Rojo Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 13,805 vCash: 75	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston Liston by KO before 6th
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06-17-2007, 12:57 PM	#6
groove Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,024 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston This would be some fight. I can't see it lasting more than 6 rounds. Could go either way. Liston may finish it quick as he's got the extra power. But Louis is the better combo puncher so it's very interesting match-up. Hard one to call. I favour Liston to win within 3 rounds or Louis to win from 4th round onwards.
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06-17-2007, 01:33 PM	#7
robert ungurean Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: liftin 3 kettlebells in pa.usa Posts: 2,172 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston I like Louis in 9 by KO. Faster hands better combo's smarter fighter.
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06-17-2007, 07:26 PM	#8
Jupiter1610 newbie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 25 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston I like Liston by KO. I think that he has the better chin of the two and the superior defense, despite Joe's edge in speed and accuracy.
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06-17-2007, 07:58 PM	#9
timmers612 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 786 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston Mcgrain, yours was fun and interesting post, one of the better ones from the last few years. Cheers
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06-17-2007, 09:43 PM	#13
Muchmoore Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,445 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston I would pick Liston. They fought a lot alike, but Liston had the edge in most categories by a little bit. Liston by KO within 9.
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06-17-2007, 09:50 PM	#14
hobgoblin Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 538 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston Liston had a far superior jab so he'd give Louis trouble there. However, I still put my money on Louis to be defensive, look for openings, counter, and get a brutal KO with his counter, well timed combination punching. Louis by KO but Liston has a good chance of pulling off an upset.
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06-17-2007, 10:01 PM	#15
rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,547 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston I think that in order for Louis to win, he has to give ground to Liston. I don't mean dance around the ring, more like what he tried against Marciano. I don't believe he can tear into Liston and try to bully him. Liston is too much bull for Louis to try that with. I think he can land cleaner punches, without using as much effort, if he lets Liston follow him. I think this one goes the distance. I don't see Joe knocking Liston out fighting in the fashion I described. I think Louis can win a close decision, winning with crisp combinations.
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