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Old 03-21-2008, 11:24 AM   #31
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For me the Lacy fight was the best performance by JC. He totally shut out Lacy and poor old Lacy has not been the same since.
And you know what 'they' all said about Lacy.....after the fight, of course.
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Old 03-21-2008, 12:18 PM   #32
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And you know what 'they' all said about Lacy.....after the fight, of course.
Yes I know, but the same people did not say it before the fight when they were projecting Lacy as if he was a mini Mike Tyson.

JC seriously damaged Lacy, poor guy has not been the same since. After the schooling he lost all his confidence and looks like a broken man. I doubt Bhops has managed to do that to anyone.
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Old 03-21-2008, 12:54 PM   #33
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Yes I know, but the same people did not say it before the fight when they were projecting Lacy as if he was a mini Mike Tyson.

JC seriously damaged Lacy, poor guy has not been the same since. After the schooling he lost all his confidence and looks like a broken man. I doubt Bhops has managed to do that to anyone.
It could be argued that he 'executed' the careers of Felix Trinidad and especially up and comer Joe Lipsey.
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Old 03-21-2008, 01:37 PM   #34
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Hopkins aint Lacy. Joe will get his credit.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:06 PM   #35
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Hopkins aint Lacy. Joe will get his credit.
I doubt it, people going to say Hopkins was an old man and past his prime.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:07 PM   #36
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Why not? It's certainly used as a strike against Jones. Joe did a lot of talking about a move to 175 & that was the most logical option. To be honest I've come to accept this is mainly a Calzaghe fan site & fully expect Beatboxer to predictably go on to tear down Hopkins. He'll also whinge about anyone who doesn't completely agree with his opinion.

I actually felt we came to a conclusion of sorts on this subject the other day but this will no doubt reopen this tired debate. I feel this will all be elementary when a 43 year old man outpoints Joe next month. Joe's career will be discredited by most of the boxing fraternity then.
Yeah but Jones was in the same division.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:10 PM   #37
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It could be argued that he 'executed' the careers of Felix Trinidad and especially up and comer Joe Lipsey.
Yes but FT was a natural welterweight. Lipsey was not exactly mixing it with the best before he met Bhops.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:12 PM   #38
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I doubt it, people going to say Hopkins was an old man and past his prime.
Some will but you cant change the world sadly.

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Yeah but Jones was in the same division.
We already discussed that bit. It's done.


One thing I do know is that Joe should quit trying to trash talk. He's rubbish at it & it's not his game. He's been quoted as saying some clearly scripted shit about Hopkins being a dog. Errrr...yeah Joe, stick to the boxing.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:51 PM   #39
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They have both fought similar opposition but JC has been done more schooling.

For me the Lacy fight was the best performance by JC. He totally shut out Lacy and poor old Lacy has not been the same since.
The Lacy fight saddened me.I never wanted to see JC vs Lacy simply because Joe was too well schooled for a basic slugger like Jeff.Jeff has the right attitude and said the right things on his quick rise through the rankings.But the reality was he had way too much smoke blown up his ass, people were comparing him to Tyson!!! And he actually thought he was that good after listening to all his fans and yes men. The reality was he didnt even have a jab no head movement, loaded up on all his punches and ANY decent box puncher at 68 would stand him on his head. Remember even a shot Omar Sheika gave him trouble.

Joe at the top of the tree was simply the worst guy to pick because Lacy was as green as grass. I fear now his another David Reid who`s star burnt brightly too quickly and has already faded.

His team should have realised his deficiencies and pulled him out of that fight when Joe was really hurting him. He simply walked in and took a beating for 12 rounds and was completely incapable of defending himself. Pretty sad as with the right tutelege and guidance Lacy could have made some noise and been a quality main stay.Now is struggling with guys like Manfredo.He was a fighter that needed to brought along careful.But yanks typically love a home town hero and they trust him into a spot light that he was just not ready for.
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Old 03-21-2008, 04:02 PM   #40
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43 not too old for you ffs
Are you saying Hopkins is too old? Before the fight? I am expecting that excuse if Calzaghe wins.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:15 PM   #41
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Are you saying Hopkins is too old? Before the fight? I am expecting that excuse if Calzaghe wins.

Its more a fact rather than an excuse...

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Old 03-22-2008, 05:33 AM   #42
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Its more a fact rather than an excuse...
That he's 43 or that he's too old? I'll say one thing for Hopkins, you will not find a 43 year old in better condition and you can go anywhere in the world. That's a testament to his dedication to the sport and undoubtedly to the luck of possessing the genes he does. Hopkins keeps shocking us all with his exploits at his age but I am sure it will catch up with him soon. I just hope it's against JC!
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Old 03-22-2008, 08:05 AM   #43
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I dont think age can be used as an excuse when it comes to Hopkins. He is an exception to the rule and you only have to look at his last couple of fights to see hes still at a very high level.
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The revisionists will use his age as an excuse.

Just like in hindsight suddenly Lacy was overhyped. Ditto Kessler.

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Old 03-22-2008, 08:50 AM   #45
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The revisionists will use his age as an excuse.

Just like in hindsight suddenly Lacy was overhyped. Ditto Kessler.
I'll do no such thing should the worst happen unless it really is suddenly apparent Hopkins is shot which is unlikely. Lacy was overhyped though & I've never seen the big deal with Kessler. Kessler is a good solid fighter, nothing more.
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