Your Favorite Non-Heavyweight

[ironchamp]

Tito Trinidad
Roberto Duran
Roy Jones Jr.
Prince Naz
Pacman

[SgrRyLeonard]

Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Oscar DeLahoya, Marco Antonio Barerra, Bernard Hopkins, Sugar Shane Mosley, Terry Norris, and the original and greatest Sugar, Sugar Ray Robinson.

[Irish Steel]

Ward

[Manassa]

Ike Williams. The only heavyweight in probably my top thirty favourite fighters would be Joe Louis.

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by Bummy Davis

Willie Pep,Benny Leonard,Mickey Walker,Harry Greb,Stanley Ketchel,Tony Canzanari,SRR,Henry Armstrong,Duran,Sammy Angott,Billy Conn,Rocky Graziano,Jake Lamotta,Beau Jack,Carmine Basilio,Ken Buchanan,Ruben Olivares,Wilfredo Gomez,Salvatore Sanchez, Azuma Nelson,Pancho Villa, Jimmy Wilde,Bobby Chacon,Danny Lopez,Tony Zale,Arturo Gatti,Mickey Ward,Al Bummy Davis,Barney Ross,Marvin Hagler,Carlos Monzon.Sam Langford..not in order

Most of the ones, from the '40s on, BD, I saw live and couldn't agree more. I heard so much in the gym about what a tough SOB Mickey Walker was, I felt like I'd seen him.

[Drew101]

1. Ricardo Lopez
2. Jung Koo Chang
3. Hilario Zapata
4. Eusebio Pedroza
5. Salvador Sanchez
6. Saoul Mamby
7. Tommy Cordova
8. Arturo Gatti
9. Bobby Chacon
10. Cornelius Boza Edwards
11. Alexis Arguello
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Jiro Watanabe
14. Matthew Saad Muhammad
15. Marvin Hagler

No particular order

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by Manassa

Ike Williams. The only heavyweight in probably my top thirty favourite fighters would be Joe Louis.

Ike Williams is a favorite of mine, as well, M. The picture of Ike in your avatar hangs on the wall at the Wild Card Gym. It freaks-out some who see one of trainers, Sammy Stewart, who's a dead-ringer for Williams.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by john garfield

Ike Williams is a favorite of mine, as well, M. The picture of Ike in your avatar hangs on the wall at the Wild Card Gym. It freaks-out some who see one of trainers, Sammy Stewart, who's a dead-ringer for Williams.

I rate Williams the #3 lightweight of all time and favour him over Roberto Duran and Henry Armstrong (though losing to the better boxer types such as Benny Leonard and Pernell Whitaker). Do you think this is justifiable, based on what you saw back in ye olden days? If you wouldn't mind, please explain the impression Williams left on you as a youngster - what did you think of him in the ring?

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by Manassa

I rate Williams the #3 lightweight of all time and favour him over Roberto Duran and Henry Armstrong (though losing to the better boxer types such as Benny Leonard and Pernell Whitaker). Do you think this is justifiable, based on what you saw back in ye olden days? If you wouldn't mind, please explain the impression Williams left on you as a youngster - what did you think of him in the ring?

I never get into rating fighters, M; I can only reflect on who were my favorites. At lightweight, Duran and Williams were the gold standard, an incredible amalgam of punching power, speed, skill, ferocity, electricity, and every intangible. Face them and you were in against the perfect storm.

Bob Montgomery is largely overlooked, but he was a helluva fighter.

[Titan1]

Michael Spinks
Marvin Hagler
Davey Moore
Donald Curry
Milton McCrory
Aaron Pryor
Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Ray Mancini
Alexis Arguello
Roberto Duran
Edwin Rosario
Hector Camacho
Jeff Chandler
Salvador Sanchez

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by john garfield

I never get into rating fighters, M; I can only reflect on who were my favorites. At lightweight, Duran and Williams were the gold standard, an incredible amalgam of punching power, speed, skill, ferocity, electricity, and every intangible. Face them and you were in against the perfect storm.

Bob Montgomery is largely overlooked, but he was a helluva fighter.

I've never seen Montgomery in action - too young to have seen live, and no tapes exist to my knowledge. I've seen his most famous rivals, Beau Jack and Ike Williams, obviously, but not the man himself. We know Williams was top dog in the end, but who do you think achieved more out of Jack and Montgomery? I lean towards Jack. I get the feeling Montgomery was the better fighter at his best; more complete; but that Jack's sheer dedication meant he was a bit more consistent at the top level.

[bigG]

benn...

[john garfield]

Originally Posted by Manassa

I've never seen Montgomery in action - too young to have seen live, and no tapes exist to my knowledge. I've seen his most famous rivals, Beau Jack and Ike Williams, obviously, but not the man himself. We know Williams was top dog in the end, but who do you think achieved more out of Jack and Montgomery? I lean towards Jack. I get the feeling Montgomery was the better fighter at his best; more complete; but that Jack's sheer dedication meant he was a bit more consistent at the top level.

I'm not sure if I underdstand your question, M. But, if it's who was better between Jack and Montgomery? Montgomery was far better in every department, but Jack could match heart with anyone that's ever fought. His should've campaigned as "The Wolverine."