Hearns - Power...

Russell · 07-13-2007, 12:22 AM

Where do you think Mr. Hearns ranks P4P wise, power?

Is he in your top five all time?

Top three?

Anyone have any stories of his power?

Have any other boxers carried their power 40 some odd pounds up in weight like Hearns did?

Langford?

brooklyn1550 · 07-13-2007, 02:32 AM

Top 5

Senya13 · 07-13-2007, 02:44 AM

Outside of top 10.

fists of fury · 07-13-2007, 02:58 AM

Without thorough research it's an impossible question to answer. But his power was flat out scary and that right hand - if he hit you clean - meant an early night for anyone not called Marvin Hagler.

I could not believe how easily he crushed the mega tough Roberto Duran.

Senya13 · 07-13-2007, 03:01 AM

Hearns' power above 154lb is grossly overrated.

laxpdx · 07-13-2007, 03:05 AM

Hearns' power above 154lb is grossly overrated.

Tell that to Duran.

fists of fury · 07-13-2007, 03:06 AM

Or James Schuler.

achillesthegreat · 07-13-2007, 03:18 AM

Top 5 with guys like Jackson and Hamed.

Senya13 · 07-13-2007, 03:18 AM

Thomas Hearns 153 1/4 W-TKO2 Roberto Duran 154

WTF is Shames Schuler to be a measurement stick?

jyuza · 07-13-2007, 03:28 AM

At middleweight he had atomic bombs in his hands too. He KO'd in one round a contender who made the distance with Hagler before the "war" with the champ.

fists of fury · 07-13-2007, 03:30 AM

You claimed his power over 154 is "grossly overrated." (Your words.)

The Schuler fight clearly demonstrates that is isn't.

Senya13 · 07-13-2007, 03:36 AM

He knocked out an old lightweight fighting 3 divisions above his best weight.
That Hagler couldn't KO Duran is Hagler's problem, he's a "wear 'em down" kind of puncher, not a KO artist by any means. For one reason or another he just paid too much respect to Duran.

Shuler is a nobody. I can find tens of examples when seemingly non-punchers scored a great KO all a sudden. Statistics shows clearly that Hearns wasn't a KO artist above 154lb, his power from middleweight and up is very overrated, he doesn't have nothing significant to back up a claim of a KO artist there.

TBooze · 07-13-2007, 04:22 AM

Hearns is technically the most powerful fighter ever pound for pound.

He could not knock out hardly anyone as an amatuer (163 fights; 155 wins; 12 KO's), but as a pro almost straight away Steward found a way to create that magnificent Hearns right hand.

fists of fury · 07-13-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Senya13

He knocked out an old lightweight fighting 3 divisions above his best weight.
That Hagler couldn't KO Duran is Hagler's problem, he's a "wear 'em down" kind of puncher, not a KO artist by any means. For one reason or another he just paid too much respect to Duran.

Shuler is a nobody. I can find tens of examples when seemingly non-punchers scored a great KO all a sudden. Statistics shows clearly that Hearns wasn't a KO artist above 154lb, his power from middleweight and up is very overrated, he doesn't have nothing significant to back up a claim of a KO artist there.

Schuler is a nobody because Hearns made him a nobody. He never fought again after that brutal KO, despite being 22-0 at the time.

I don't think anyone is claiming Hearns to be a KO artist at say, 175, but Hearns always had power, no matter what weight he fought at. He beat down the tough Dennis Andries and knocked him down several times and although Virgil Hill went the distance, Tommy stung him several times with good shots and Hill's face was heavily marked after the bout.

What makes you say it's so overrated? Give us examples of where he struggled, power-wise.

JohnThomas1 · 07-13-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Senya13

Thomas Hearns 153 1/4 W-TKO2 Roberto Duran 154

WTF is Shames Schuler to be a measurement stick?

Let me guess, your boy Roy belongs above Hearns

07-13-2007, 12:22 AM	#1
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fists of fury Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: March for Revenge Posts: 10,614 vCash: 1325	Re: Hearns - Power... Without thorough research it's an impossible question to answer. But his power was flat out scary and that right hand - if he hit you clean - meant an early night for anyone not called Marvin Hagler. I could not believe how easily he crushed the mega tough Roberto Duran.
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Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,300 vCash: 1210	Re: Hearns - Power... Hearns' power above 154lb is grossly overrated.
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Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,300 vCash: 1210	Re: Hearns - Power... Thomas Hearns 153 1/4 W-TKO2 Roberto Duran 154 WTF is Shames Schuler to be a measurement stick?
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jyuza Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,278 vCash: 1000	Re: Hearns - Power... At middleweight he had atomic bombs in his hands too. He KO'd in one round a contender who made the distance with Hagler before the "war" with the champ.
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fists of fury Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: March for Revenge Posts: 10,614 vCash: 1325	Re: Hearns - Power... You claimed his power over 154 is "grossly overrated." (Your words.) The Schuler fight clearly demonstrates that is isn't.
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Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,300 vCash: 1210	Re: Hearns - Power... He knocked out an old lightweight fighting 3 divisions above his best weight. That Hagler couldn't KO Duran is Hagler's problem, he's a "wear 'em down" kind of puncher, not a KO artist by any means. For one reason or another he just paid too much respect to Duran. Shuler is a nobody. I can find tens of examples when seemingly non-punchers scored a great KO all a sudden. Statistics shows clearly that Hearns wasn't a KO artist above 154lb, his power from middleweight and up is very overrated, he doesn't have nothing significant to back up a claim of a KO artist there.
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TBooze Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South of London Posts: 9,795 vCash: 234	Re: Hearns - Power... Hearns is technically the most powerful fighter ever pound for pound. He could not knock out hardly anyone as an amatuer (163 fights; 155 wins; 12 KO's), but as a pro almost straight away Steward found a way to create that magnificent Hearns right hand.
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